That old reverse reverb chestnut...

Creed_Clicks · June 8

I recently picked up a Boss RV5. It's "ok". I was going to use the gate as a reverse type reverb, similar to what can be done on the Digitech Digiverb. But the decay or sustain of the Boss doesn't seem to work well for me anyway.
Would the Boss RV200 be much different. It does have a dedicated reverse reverb, which seems like it could work and a hold function. The Boss does sound a bit "metallic" at times.
I was also tempted by the Blackhole, but the Boss may kill a few birds with one stone, as I could have a nice plate or hall preset as well.
I don't want to consider the Eventide Space. (too much even for me!). The EHX Holy Grail max is another pedalboard friendly size option but no presets which would be useful. Ummming and awing between the Boss RV200 and the Blackhole. I already have a Walrus Audio Slotva and a mini spring reverb which may stay on the board. I just need to the reverse and a good neutral big reverb sound and I am done! RV200 could sort both of those out.... Is it as metallic sounding as is made out? It is going to be used with delays and fuzz either way, so any imperfections will probably get buried in the mix!
Digitech Polara, also looks good, but no presets, and the text is impossible to read on it!

monquixote · June 8

I've got an RV200 I might consider selling

Jaded · June 8

Are you using the reverse reverb for the MBV thing? If that’s the case the EHX Canyon on the multitap mode gets pretty close to that spx90 early reflections sound - the trick is using the secondary knob functions to set the repeats to rise in volume rather than fall, then set to a short delay time (like 9’oclock).

If you’re not going specifically for the MVB/Shoegaze thing - Zoom CDR-70, it’s got a pretty decent reverse reverb and gated reverb along with plenty of standard reverbs!

monquixote · June 8

Jaded said:

Are you using the reverse reverb for the MBV thing? If that’s the case the EHX Canyon on the multitap mode gets pretty close to that spx90 early reflections sound - the trick is using the secondary knob functions to set the repeats to rise in volume rather than fall, then set to a short delay time (like 9’oclock).

If you’re not going specifically for the MVB/Shoegaze thing - Zoom CDR-70, it’s got a pretty decent reverse reverb and gated reverb along with plenty of standard reverbs!

The CDR-70 is brilliant!

The Reverb on the RV-200 is better, but when you consider the CDR can do 6 effects at a time and is cheaper it's super impressive.

Jaded · June 8

monquixote said:

Jaded said:

Are you using the reverse reverb for the MBV thing? If that’s the case the EHX Canyon on the multitap mode gets pretty close to that spx90 early reflections sound - the trick is using the secondary knob functions to set the repeats to rise in volume rather than fall, then set to a short delay time (like 9’oclock).

If you’re not going specifically for the MVB/Shoegaze thing - Zoom CDR-70, it’s got a pretty decent reverse reverb and gated reverb along with plenty of standard reverbs!

The CDR-70 is brilliant!

The Reverb on the RV-200 is better, but when you consider the CDR can do 6 effects at a time and is cheaper it's super impressive.

Oh for sure without doubt the RV-200 sounds fantastic in demos I’ve heard and probably the better option for everything in one box.

Does the gated reverb do that thing where you can hear the gate closing, like the older racks and pedals or is it the more modern implementation where it just sort of stops?

Creed_Clicks · June 9

I totally forgot about the Zoom. I have one hooked up to a little synth, and it never occurred to me to try it on a guitar pedalboard, as it seems to be well known as a synth pedal. I wonder how user friendly it would be "under foot"... Certainly worth a try anyhow!

@Jaded I tried the Gate setting on the RV5 and it seems to just stop, but maybe I need to play around with it some more.

Jaded · June 9

Creed_Clicks said:

I totally forgot about the Zoom. I have one hooked up to a little synth, and it never occurred to me to try it on a guitar pedalboard, as it seems to be well known as a synth pedal. I wonder how user friendly it would be "under foot"... Certainly worth a try anyhow!

@Jaded I tried the Gate setting on the RV5 and it seems to just stop, but maybe I need to play around with it some more.

I was using the MS70-CDR for quite a while for my reverse/gate needs and it handled them quite well - the only downside was the limited wet/dry mix. Not an issue with the gated reverb as it has the option for no dry signal but with reverse I'm pretty terrible at playing them in time without a little dry - I manage to fix it by using that Zoom Effect Manager, it has a user made effect for mixing dry and effected signals!

Ah okay, I've only heard some demos of the RV5 and rarely do they seem to show much of the gate setting!

Are you running the RV5 before or after drives? If you're going for the whole shoegaze thing its pretty essential (other reverbs/delays are fine wherever IMO) - sorry if you already know this! It's just one of those things that took me an embarrassingly long time and going through quite a few reverbs to realise!

Creed_Clicks · June 9

@Jaded I am going to stick a RAT type clone after the reverbs. I have an EHX Hazarai, but it's not doing it for me! Maybe more patience is needed.

Jaded · June 9

The Hazarai is what pushed me to get the Canyon actually (I couldn't quite afford the SMMH and a Canyon came up for cheap). The multi-tap with the reverse envelope on the decay is basically how the SPX90 does its reverse sounds.

It's definitely tricky to setup and one of those "you have to play the effect" moments but once you get used to keeping your strumming pretty soft and constant/consistent to make it all smear together... it's THE sound. Paired with your RAT it's only going to sound even closer!

https://youtu.be/168qS8pTXXw?si=N6LgMJZu6z2a3-ad

Hopefully the link works, but this guys video is pretty decent at showing the sort of settings to get there, just ignore all the other pedals he's using and I personally blend in a little of the dry to help keep me in time.

Creed_Clicks · June 9

@Jaded. Right then. I need to sit down with the Hazarai again!

Jaded · June 9

It really does take a bit of time to dial in but it's worth it when it all comes together! The reverse on the Zoom is a lot more straight forward and gets like 80% of the way and is much more forgiving with what you play into it. Heck I'm sure the RV5 with everything cranked would get close enough as well, even Kevin Shields seems to have moved away from the rack units now, I think he's using a Red Panda Context (V1) on the gate mode!

Creed_Clicks · June 9

Jaded said:

It really does take a bit of time to dial in but it's worth it when it all comes together! The reverse on the Zoom is a lot more straight forward and gets like 80% of the way and is much more forgiving with what you play into it. Heck I'm sure the RV5 with everything cranked would get close enough as well, even Kevin Shields seems to have moved away from the rack units now, I think he's using a Red Panda Context (V1) on the gate mode!

Interesting......

Creed_Clicks · June 10

@Jaded that video is spot on. I had not come across it before. Thanks again. Might have sorted out my GAS for now. I will try the RV5 in gate mode and see how I get on.

Jaded · June 11

Glad to be of some help! I must have been through 4 or 5 different ones before coming across it myself and it's for the most part cured my GAS too (though I have my eye on the Maneco Labs Dreamgazer still...)

roberty · June 11

I enjoy the reverse mode on my ehx oceans 11. Got it for the spring but keeping it now for reverse. Worth a look if one pops up

Creed_Clicks · June 11

roberty said:

I enjoy the reverse mode on my ehx oceans 11. Got it for the spring but keeping it now for reverse. Worth a look if one pops up

Yes, I am tempted by it or the Digitech Polara

timbuk02 · June 11

just to refuel your GAS - have you considered the Keeley Realizer? The reverse mode is instant MBV as it has envelope triggered jag trem bar and you can control how 'deep' wobbles by hitting strings harder. The hall is big and if you dial back the warmth it sounds more pristine plate (to my ears anyway). And the soft focus does the cascaded chorus thing for cleans. I got it for the reverse but the soft focus revived my interest in chorus too.

Lebarque · June 11

OBNE Rever?

Creed_Clicks · June 11

@timbuk02 I had not considered this one. Interesting!

Creed_Clicks · June 24

Lebarque said:

OBNE Rever?

I had one around 5 years ago. Cool pedal, but always seemed to be very modulated all the time.

Creed_Clicks · June 24

@Jaded I was able to mimic the SMM with an Eventide Timefactor delay, but need to A/B them again. An interesting experiment....!

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