Free movement between UK and EU to end in March 2019

mellowsun

18 months to get out of the UK!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504

We've got our NZ passports as a back-up plan - what are other people's plans?

crunchman

You won't have to get out.  They have said that EU citizens who are already here can stay.  I know they are haggling over the exact terms, but you are being a bit Daily Mirror headline.

mellowsun

crunchman said:

You won't have to get out.  They have said that EU citizens who are already here can stay. 

Not quite, they have said that EU citizens can apply for settled status. Of course, many already have settled status. But once we leave the EU, they'll have to apply - and pay - again.

There is currently no negotiation - in fact, negotiations have stalled.

Still, at least you can look forward to chlorinated chicken.

bingefeller

Get it right Amber - its all about repatriating our sovereignty and controlling who we let in, who we allow to stay and being able to kick out those who break the laws or are benefits tourists. Start developing the UK ESTA and work permit systems. The US system works so don't invent from new and don't give the contract to deliver it to the idiot 'big' organisations who continuously fail to deliver Government IT contracts - and about which all you do is give them new contracts to fail all over again.

goat

No more spur of the moment romantic weekends in Paris, or sneaky smokey breaks to Amsterdam without applying for a visa in advance. Queuing up for 3 hours in the “outside the EU” anal investigation security line in the airport. Good times!

bingefeller

goat said:

No more spur of the moment romantic weekends in Paris, or sneaky smokey breaks to Amsterdam without applying for a visa in advance. Queuing up for 3 hours in the “outside the EU” anal investigation security line in the airport. Good times!

You should have been like mellowsun and had a backup plan in advance!

i have my emergency getaway suitcase packed with all essentials in it.  When the shit hits the fan in 18 months I'm gonna be ready brother.  

Fretwired

mellowsun said:

18 months to get out of the UK!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504

We've got our NZ passports as a back-up plan - what are other people's plans?

No. One twat in the government said that and everyone slapped him down. Free movement won't go - it will be modified to free movement to people who meet certain criteria and can get a job. All the UK ever wanted was to control who came in ....

darthed1981

Fretwired said:

No. One twat in the government said that and everyone slapped him down. Free movement won't go - it will be modified to free movement to people who meet certain criteria and can get a job. All the UK ever wanted was to control who came in ....

You know, in twenty years time, I can't help thinking a lot of people in Europe will sit back and go "you know, maybe we should have let the UK restrict free movement a bit, would have saved a lot of hassle.."

Fretwired

darthed1981 said:

Fretwired said:

No. One twat in the government said that and everyone slapped him down. Free movement won't go - it will be modified to free movement to people who meet certain criteria and can get a job. All the UK ever wanted was to control who came in ....

You know, in twenty years time, I can't help thinking a lot of people in Europe will sit back and go "you know, maybe we should have let the UK restrict free movement a bit, would have saved a lot of hassle.."

I think in four years time, when the EU has realised that free unrestricted movement isn't all that great (Google court dispute between Croatia and Austria) we'll sit back and think we should have waited a while longer.

TTony

Fretwired said:

No. One twat in the government said that and everyone slapped him down. Free movement won't go - it will be modified to free movement to people who meet certain criteria and can get a job. All the UK ever wanted was to control who came in ....

But that's not a very headlinist inaccurate bit of sensationalism, now is it?

TTony

mellowsun said:

We've got our NZ passports as a back-up plan - what are other people's plans?

As you appear to have a very clear idea of what's going to happen, and how it's all going to turn out, I'm slightly baffled as to why you've not already left?

mellowsun

TTony said:

As you appear to have a very clear idea of what's going to happen, and how it's all going to turn out, I'm slightly baffled as to why you've not already left?

Well no, it's the not knowing that has led to the back up plan. Better to have it in place now than wait until 2019.

holnrew

I talk to a Croatian girl, maybe she'll let me marry for residence

chillidoggy

goat said:

Queuing up for 3 hours in the “outside the EU” anal investigation security line in the airport. Good times!

Some people will pay good money for precisely that kind of thing.

quarky

mellowsun said:

18 months to get out of the UK!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504

We've got our NZ passports as a back-up plan - what are other people's plans?

So your backup plan is to go from one country that doesn't have free movement with the EU, to another country that doesn't have free movement with the EU?

mellowsun

quarky said:

mellowsun said:

18 months to get out of the UK!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504

We've got our NZ passports as a back-up plan - what are other people's plans?

So your backup plan is to go from one country that doesn't have free movement with the EU, to another country that doesn't have free movement with the EU?

NZ citizens currently have a pretty good deal. New Zealand has bilateral visa waiver agreements with most Schengen area countries, so citizens can spend up to three months in each of them (rather than up to 3 months in the Schengen area as a whole).

But obviously this does not include working in them.

I think the ability to live and work freely in an EU country is the biggest loss for Brexit.

Fretwired

TTony said:

Fretwired said:

No. One twat in the government said that and everyone slapped him down. Free movement won't go - it will be modified to free movement to people who meet certain criteria and can get a job. All the UK ever wanted was to control who came in ....

But that's not a very headlinist inaccurate bit of sensationalism, now is it?

No. The immigration minister made a comment that was refuted by Amber Rudd.

From the Times:

Britain is likely to keep existing migration rules immediately after Brexit with EU nationals allowed to enter so long as they register, the home secretary revealed today.

Amber Rudd set out the first details of Britain’s post-Brexit migration system which will see the legal responsibility of European freedom of movement ending on March 31 2019 but no major immediate changes to the approach.

The home secretary was setting out her approach in a letter to the Migration Advisory Committee which is being asked to examine the role and location of EU nationals in the UK for a major report in September 2019.

Notably the letter from Ms Rudd to the Migration Advisory Committee makes no mention of the need to come up with policy that gets net migration down into the tens of thousands. Instead Ms Rudd suggests she wants the system to remain as open as possible. “Our businesses, agriculture, public services, voluntary organisations and universities rely to a greater or lesser extent on migration for labour, skills and ideas. Britain is a tolerant country, open for business and will stay that way.”

Brandon Lewis, the immigration minister, sparked fears of an immediate change of the rules when he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme that free movement would end with Brexit. However the present rules could simply be replicated in UK law or slightly modified.

Boromedic

So her statement indicates no change in policy to reduce net migration and over 50% of the UK's immigrants come from outside the EU.

How exactly will leaving the EU alter the level of immigration? In 2016 net migration from the EU was 133000, and from outside 175000. It's never going to be into the 10's of thousands just because we've left the EU surely?

Boromedic

P.s. That's not a dig, I want to know why from someone who has a clue because I don't.

bingefeller

holnrew said:

I talk to a Croatian girl, maybe she'll let me marry for residence

Eastern European girls are mad cute, I envy you.  I love their broken English and sexy accents, they remind me of Bond girls.  

Drew_TNBD

Pussy Galore innit bruv.