Band members playing the wrong chords..

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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 11086
    Well, I want to be in this band and so I'm doing the honourable thing and passive-aggressively drowning him out with the correct chord.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 12055
    He's obviously a repressed jazzer ..
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 15789
    Emp_Fab said:
    Well, I want to be in this band and so I'm doing the honourable thing and passive-aggressively drowning him out with the correct chord.
    But that is hardly a ‘band’ thing - sounds like you’re too loud - and he’s tone deaf.

    Any punter who ‘gets’ music is likely think ‘Christ - that egotistical guitarist’s fucking loud!’ - rather than ‘that keyboard player’s playing the wrong chords!’ An own goal, potentially....
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 458
    equalsql said:
    You're the one in the wrong here mate.  He's playing the right notes, just not necessarily in the right order.

    Edit: @blobb beat me to it.  Apologies.  I'll be more WISE in future and read all comments.
    Bastard.. choked on my cuppa tea when I read that :lol: 

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  • @Danny1969 the chords I play in my three piece under the "If you believe..." section are:
    |-----------
    |--7-7-7-5-5
    |--8-9-8-7-6
    |--7-8-7-6-5
    |-----------
    |-----------
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 572
    edited September 28
    @Danny1969 the chords I play in my three piece under the "If you believe..." section are:
    |-----------
    |--7-7-7-5-5
    |--8-9-8-7-6
    |--7-8-7-6-5
    |-----------
    |-----------
    I used the chord voicings shown below for the key of E. The b5's avoided a clash with the high trumpet, which was basically just playing F# and E in the arrangement of the bands I played in.

    I suppose it's a moot point as to whether they really are b5's or #11's at that point in the chord.

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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 2955
    @vasselmeyer ; & @stratman3142 ;

    Thanks, I've always found that section of the song harmonically interesting in it's movement and it's something I see played different all the time across the different bands I play with

    What I play is very similar but mines got the lower 5th in it but having seen your two examples without I think I prefer it  without 

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  • mudslide73mudslide73 Frets: 1442
    I've always done the "I think I'm playing the chords wrong" passive aggressive approach. We then go through what they should be doing exposing the perpetrator for what he is - the last time this happened he agreed he was playing it wrong but didn't ever remember to fix it. Which annoyed me more. Phrases like "that note doesn't appear in that key mate" were met with "I'm just playing what sounds right mate". You can't talk to some people.
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 3288
    If someone wants to be wrong that badly, and you've already tried a reasonable approach, there's only one option left.

    Cut his car's brake cable. glue a massive picture of your own hand flipping him off onto the driver's airbag, compromising its effectiveness and making sure the last thing he sees before fiery death is you giving him the bird. Bonus points if you can hide a harmonica in G and a Harmonica in C in the air vents so in the crash, the rush of air through the system makes them sound. 
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  • It should be a pinch harmonic....or maybe a pick scrape.
    This is my rant thread, there are others like it, but this one is mine.
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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 5069
    @Emp_Fab what's the actual song that the keys player is playing wrong?
     
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  • horsehorse Frets: 368
    I'd really struggle to play in a band where you can't say if you think things sound wrong, and have that at least considered.

    I played keys in a band where the (technically excellent) lead guitarist was playing an E by shifting a D shape up 2 frets, but he was catching the open A and D strings at the same time making a dischordant clang over what should be a soft / sweet sounding section. I said lets stop and work out what isnt sounding right, whats everyone playing there? - he played what he was doing and told me it was just a standard E major. So I pointed out there isn't an A or D in that chord - amazed me that he just couldn't hear that it was clashing and adjust to stop it first time it happened, given he was in many many ways a fantastic player.

    One thing I've realised a lot playing later in life with different musicians is just how differently everybodies musical brains are. Me and my musical mates learnt together and so had very similar instincts and understandings, and I wrongly assumed that all musicians' musical brains worked the same, but the actual variety is amazing
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  • I was depping with a band a few years ago on guitar. I walked over to Bassist and asked "what key are you in?" He said A, I said me too, must be two of them and walked away! 
    Hard work that night, first time I ever played Crazy little thing called love, with drummer playing straight with no swing! 
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 2955
    It's amazing how many people don't know what key they are playing in ..... a lot of people i've played with other the years assumed it was the first chord of the song :)

    For tightness sake though, don't let things like this go. There's always some bits that people fudge cos it's difficult but the basic chord structure should be achievable for everyone regardless of playing ability 
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  • Danny1969 said:
    It's amazing how many people don't know what key they are playing in ..... a lot of people i've played with other the years assumed it was the first chord of the song :)
     


    But what key is "Sweet Home Alabama” in?  ;)
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 2955
    Danny1969 said:
    It's amazing how many people don't know what key they are playing in ..... a lot of people i've played with other the years assumed it was the first chord of the song :)
     


    But what key is "Sweet Home Alabama” in?  ;)
    Ah, I have a concept I call the Home key and the home key of that song is G to me. However I do tend to widdle away in D pent the first 2 bars before switching to G maj when I solo.

    I could be wrong though, that song does tend to polarise people 
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  • Sounds like you won't be in that band for long :( I would feel the same as you though as that would really grate on me, especially if it was actually me who's doing the wrong chord. It's happened and I couldn't live with the shame lol
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  • vizviz Frets: 4295
    Danny1969 said:
    It's amazing how many people don't know what key they are playing in ..... a lot of people i've played with other the years assumed it was the first chord of the song :)

     
    which it is. (in Sweet Home Alabama anyway)
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  • PlectrumPlectrum Frets: 320
    viz said:
    Danny1969 said:
    It's amazing how many people don't know what key they are playing in ..... a lot of people i've played with other the years assumed it was the first chord of the song :)

     
    which it is. (in Sweet Home Alabama anyway)

    To me it's in D as well. I don't think playing Dm pentatonic over it would feel as natural if it were in G. The other scale which fits nicely to my ears is D myxolidian.
    One day I'm going to make a guitar out of butter to experience just how well it actually plays.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 26316
    I've always thought it was in G major.

    Ed King says it is too :).
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  • ICBM said:
    I've always thought it was in G major.

    Ed King says it is too :).
    Phew, I was starting to think that it was just me that thought that.
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  • PlectrumPlectrum Frets: 320
    ICBM said:
    I've always thought it was in G major.

    Ed King says it is too :).
    Phew, I was starting to think that it was just me that thought that.
    If you're right (which you easily well be :) ) then you should be able to happily solo over it in Gm pentatonic. I must confess that I've not tried that. And AFAIKT the original solos were very much centred around Dm pentatonic. I'm happy to be prved wrong though :)
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 2955
    Plectrum said:
    ICBM said:
    I've always thought it was in G major.

    Ed King says it is too :).
    Phew, I was starting to think that it was just me that thought that.
    If you're right (which you easily well be :) ) then you should be able to happily solo over it in Gm pentatonic. I must confess that I've not tried that. And AFAIKT the original solos were very much centred around Dm pentatonic. I'm happy to be prved wrong though :)
    I find I have to kind of switch keys when solo'ing ... like Dm pent over the D and C chords but than I move to very much Gmaj target notes to keep the country feel. 
    A few years ago I was asked to replace the second solo on a country record that was recorded at Muscle Shoals. I was pretty confident until I realised no one key worked ... it was the same kinda deal as SHA. What I played didn't make the record 

    I think in cases like Sweet Home the songs effectively in G as that's where to me it wants to rest ... as in the "home" key  but that doesn't mean you can stay in Gmaj and it will sound right over every part of the song
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 392
    We do a couple of songs where the keyboards play the wrong chords. We can't sack him as he formed it.
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1393
    At some point I suspect most of us have done it - I certainly have and although you feel a wally for a few minutes I would much rather someone tell me and we play it right than have them knowing I’m wrong but not saying.   
    Slightly different to those times when a band has adjusted it to do their version and you need to catch up - I had a deep gig a few weeks ago where I’m trying to follow the changes live - played with them again on Friday night and it was much easier knowing what was coming.  

    If you’ve pointed it out and it’s a mistake rather than deliberate and he won’t change then you’re stuck.    
    Could  be worth sharing the song and chord here just to get a second opinion?
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  • Jock68Jock68 Frets: 46
    Playing in time and getting 99% chords correct, sounds like an asset, I would be happy achieving one of those.
    Jock
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 667
    edited October 1
    viz said:
    Danny1969 said:
    It's amazing how many people don't know what key they are playing in ..... a lot of people i've played with other the years assumed it was the first chord of the song

     
    which it is. (in Sweet Home Alabama anyway)
    But isn't the solo in E pentatonic if my memory serves me well? 
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  • vizviz Frets: 4295
    ICBM said:
    I've always thought it was in G major.

    Ed King says it is too :).
    Phew, I was starting to think that it was just me that thought that.
    Eh I thought you were a D-er, no?
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  • jpfampsjpfamps Frets: 1074

    Our piano player has perfect pitch so I don't get away with much.........
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 572
    viz said:
    ICBM said:
    I've always thought it was in G major.

    Ed King says it is too :).
    Phew, I was starting to think that it was just me that thought that.
    Eh I thought you were a D-er, no?
    I think of Sweet Home Alabama as based around a key centre of G major (Ionian) but it could equally be viewed as  D Mixolydian. Same difference because they both provide the same palette of notes.

    The first solo seems more D centric to me, whereas the second solo seems more G centric.

    It's not a competition
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