Drunk + PA Speaker = Disaster

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FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
edited December 2017 in Live
This happened during our first song last Saturday:



Thankfully, I managed to save my AX8 by catching the PA speaker on my knee. Needless to say, the guy didn't stay in the pub for long afterwards....
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1540
    Wankers!  Had a few near misses too, and my Helix trampled on
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8503
    This is why we have public liability insurance, in case the cabs wobble back the other way while we're trying to rescue them and accidentally whack the punter round the head really really hard.

    Twice.  

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  • RolandRoland Frets: 2012
    Yup. Insurance, plus a camera to provide evidence.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32741
    You need much bigger tripods for that size of speaker. If they’re wide enough it’s a lot harder to do that.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8503
    ICBM said:
    You need much bigger tripods for that size of speaker. If they’re wide enough it’s a lot harder to do that.
    Wis'd, though every tiny pub gig is always a balance between opening the tripods wide enough to be stable, but not so wide that people are constantly tripping over the legs. 

    I'm glad I've given them up for compact columns tbh, the combination of safety, placement and feedback of conventional cabs on poles is a massive pain in the arse in a small room. 
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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
    ICBM said:
    You need much bigger tripods for that size of speaker. If they’re wide enough it’s a lot harder to do that.
    You also need bigger floor space... which, as you can see, was at a premium.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32741
    FarleyUK said:

    You also need bigger floor space... which, as you can see, was at a premium.
    Yes, I can see that. I still wouldn’t use stands that small with speakers that large at all, it’s just an accident waiting to happen.

    The ones I use are about twice that size - just cheap Stagg ones, but they do the job and they’re nowhere near that easy to push over. If you set them up with one leg pointing back into the corner the other two don’t actually stick out that far.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
    We're playing there for the last time on Xmas eve... But this time I'll be the other side of the stage, and that speaker will be on the stage so hopefully that won't happen again.....!
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  • I'm sharing that with our singer, the PA stands he has are awful old ones that don't clamp properly. I've mentioned it but he's still not replaced them. Just takes one nutter and it could be nasty.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3575
    I've had 3 drunken fools crash into things recently, 2 of them fell over monitors at the front which drowned my mates pedals in beer and one drink women fell arse over tit when she tried to get onstage .... pain in the arse

    I'm not a fan of tripods, to get them stable you need a huge amount of floor space, bass bins and poles takes up less room on the floor but more room in the cans \ van so I guess you can't win
    www.2020studios.co.uk 
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7371
    We had a twat fall through a PA speaker at a gig. It fell backwards with such force that it separated the magnet from the speaker basket rendering it... fucked.
    The gentleman concerned was known to the pub and the band but seemed unwilling (at first) to recompense the band for the destroyed speaker. He was persuaded to assist in the purchase of a new one after some 'discussion' once he'd sobered up.

    As for insurance - yes it covers you if the twat gets boffed on the head by it. But no insurance pays out for drunks falling through your gear - apparently we didn't take enough measures to prevent this happening in our case, when we tried to claim (before 'discussions' with the drunk). The insurance company (I forget the name, but they used to advertise in the music press) weren't very forthcoming about how we could have prevented it, though...

    I also used to play with a bass player who would routinely get too drunk during the night, to the point of falling over, trampling over other people's gear and generally being a twat of the lowest order. I started gigging a *very* solid Partcaster Tele around this time, and there used to be a rather amusing video on Youtube of me smacking the prat around the back of the head with it after he stamped on the back of my M13 breaking the plugs off. A good Tele is a superb Defensive Weapon... :-)
    Never Ever Bloody Anything Ever.

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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
    I'm trying to figure out something to act as a barrier between the drunkards and my gear.... all I can think of is the crowd control barriers with extendable fabric rope parts. Does anyone else use anything to stop people getting too involved?
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  • PlectrumPlectrum Frets: 490
    FarleyUK said:
    I'm trying to figure out something to act as a barrier between the drunkards and my gear.... all I can think of is the crowd control barriers with extendable fabric rope parts. Does anyone else use anything to stop people getting too involved?
    Barbed wire works well :)
    One day I'm going to make a guitar out of butter to experience just how well it actually plays.
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  • We put our wedge monitors out front, forms a basic barrier even though they are rarely plugged in. Quite expensive if anyone managed to destroy one but they are a reasonably tough thing. 

    We have had someone knock over a PA speaker which was caught on the way down by another punter. We knew it was a dodgy position as well but couldn't work out anywhere else to put it. It's a pub that has two bands per week plus a DJ most nights so you'd think they might invest in a fixed PA system. But apparently not. 
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8503
    Our column PA is now behind us so it's out of the way, our biggest problem is having a very pretty 4'11" singer who drunks feel they can leer and holler at from six inches away.

    We've waded in fists flying as a band three times this year when 'security' were too scared to. She handles it pretty well and we're an easy going lot generally - but I can't wait until it happens on one of the rare gigs her boyfriend comes to, he's an absolute psycho.
    :) 
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2192
    I had a punter put a speaker through the plasterboard wall at a very similar looking venue
    I've also had one of teeth broken in have when one guy backed into my mic stand and a 58 hit me in the teeth

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  • I was watching one of the Mary Spender YouTube things and she showed how to set up your mic boom stand up sideways ( ie not pointing at the audience). So bloody obvious but it had never crossed my mind before

     Cabicular said:
    I had a punter put a speaker through the plasterboard wall at a very similar looking venue
    I've also had one of teeth broken in have when one guy backed into my mic stand and a 58 hit me in the teeth


    Dum dum dum, dum dum de dum, dum dum dum, dum dummmm.
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  • Out of interest, what camera did you use, looks a really good wide angle view and great sound?
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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
    Out of interest, what camera did you use, looks a really good wide angle view and great sound?
    It's a Zoom Q4n - brilliant bit of kit!
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  • FarleyUK said:
    Out of interest, what camera did you use, looks a really good wide angle view and great sound?
    It's a Zoom Q4n - brilliant bit of kit!
    i was looking at the Q2n but may rethink
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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
    Just in from playing the same venue again... The place was packed to the rafters tonight, and I was on the other side of the stage.

    Amazingly, people were still knocking into the speaker on my side - so away from the door. - and causing it to wobble.

    We had to finish 30 mins early as a huge fight kicked off between a load of girls with drinks thrown over each other, hair pulling, glasses thrown etc.

    Thank God we're not going back!
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  • firepaulmusicfirepaulmusic Frets: 225
    edited December 2017
    FarleyUK said:
    Just in from playing the same venue again... The place was packed to the rafters tonight, and I was on the other side of the stage.

    Amazingly, people were still knocking into the speaker on my side - so away from the door. - and causing it to wobble.

    We had to finish 30 mins early as a huge fight kicked off between a load of girls with drinks thrown over each other, hair pulling, glasses thrown etc.

    Thank God we're not going back!
    They must be paying well at that venue, I think I'd be giving it the flick...
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  • I was watching one of the Mary Spender YouTube things and she showed how to set up your mic boom stand up sideways ( ie not pointing at the audience). So bloody obvious but it had never crossed my mind before

     Cabicular said:
    I had a punter put a speaker through the plasterboard wall at a very similar looking venue
    I've also had one of teeth broken in have when one guy backed into my mic stand and a 58 hit me in the teeth


    I did this on Saturday night, works quite well. What I think happens is people stand on a leg of the mic stand before they can hit the arm so they notice something is amiss and take evasive action. No help if they are completely blotto but every little helps.
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  • Oof! Had a few of these!

    I have spent many a gig acting as a human shield for our bassist's double bass. Takamines (and guitarists) are easier to replace than Victorian-era basses. :)
    My band: Hedge Gods
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  • FarleyUK said:
    Just in from playing the same venue again... The place was packed to the rafters tonight, and I was on the other side of the stage.

    Amazingly, people were still knocking into the speaker on my side - so away from the door. - and causing it to wobble.

    We had to finish 30 mins early as a huge fight kicked off between a load of girls with drinks thrown over each other, hair pulling, glasses thrown etc.

    Thank God we're not going back!
    Yep i know that place, we binned it off this year too same sort of things going on , Its got a real weird vibe in there almost like from dusk til dawn!
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  • FarleyUKFarleyUK Frets: 421
    leerocker said:
    FarleyUK said:
    Just in from playing the same venue again... The place was packed to the rafters tonight, and I was on the other side of the stage.

    Amazingly, people were still knocking into the speaker on my side - so away from the door. - and causing it to wobble.

    We had to finish 30 mins early as a huge fight kicked off between a load of girls with drinks thrown over each other, hair pulling, glasses thrown etc.

    Thank God we're not going back!
    Yep i know that place, we binned it off this year too same sort of things going on , Its got a real weird vibe in there almost like from dusk til dawn!
    Ha! We'd heard loads of bands have cancelled... I can fully understand why. Used to be fantastic, but really turned it a sh!thole.

    The bizarre thing is, the crowd are really into the songs - dancing, singing etc. - but everytime we'd finish a song, there would be complete silence. No applause, no shouting - nothing.

    I mean, we're not THAT bad.
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  • FarleyUK said:
    leerocker said:
    FarleyUK said:
    Just in from playing the same venue again... The place was packed to the rafters tonight, and I was on the other side of the stage.

    Amazingly, people were still knocking into the speaker on my side - so away from the door. - and causing it to wobble.

    We had to finish 30 mins early as a huge fight kicked off between a load of girls with drinks thrown over each other, hair pulling, glasses thrown etc.

    Thank God we're not going back!
    Yep i know that place, we binned it off this year too same sort of things going on , Its got a real weird vibe in there almost like from dusk til dawn!
    Ha! We'd heard loads of bands have cancelled... I can fully understand why. Used to be fantastic, but really turned it a sh!thole.

    The bizarre thing is, the crowd are really into the songs - dancing, singing etc. - but everytime we'd finish a song, there would be complete silence. No applause, no shouting - nothing.

    I mean, we're not THAT bad.
    Its the same for every band there i think , we had played there for a few years and this year its just gone to pot,trouble most nights and just a bad vibe, some poor young fella was done over and was in a coma a week before we were due to play so we binned it off as thats the final straw, 
     same thing ,everyone dancing and enjoying it end of song no applause, its almost like the crowd think they are too cool to clap, My missus always said avoid hemel as its weird

    The one thing i never understood is the door staff stand out the front of the pub and never move or go inside but you can walk down the alley and go in the back entrance unchallenged!
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8503
    We find YFC gigs are similar and don't do them anymore - loads of dancing, hollering, and singing along with every word, then no acknowledgement whatsoever at the end of each song. It's almost like you're just a jukebox. 

    They'd be much happier if a DJ had turned up instead, and so would I. 
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  • HoofHoof Frets: 379
    From a few of the points raised in this thread:

    Speaker stands: Never compromise the width of the tripod base, no matter how much of a premium floorspace is. If there isn't enough floor space to open the stands up then put the speakers on a table or even the floor. You'll compromised the sound a bit but it's just not worth the risk of the stands falling.

    Drunks knocking into mic stands: Learn to sing with your eyes open. It pays to keep an eye on the crowd, especially when you're no up on a high stage. I set mine up so the base sits to the right of my pedalboardand the boom extends over. Making a  barrier using your floor monitors and black/yellow hazard

    Other equipment being damaged by pissheads/general accidents: If you really can't afford for your Custom Shop LP/Boutique amp/ultimate pedalboard to be damaged then don't take it on a pub/party gig, especially one that's known for incidents. I've got nicer gear at home than I take out to pub gigs and the rest of the band has the same attitude. Just take the tools to do the job and although you might feel better playing your ultimate rig it really makes no difference outside your own head if you play a mexican tele through a Katana. Nobody else cares.


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  • FezFez Frets: 200
    I bought a bass bin for the PA last year and it's so much better than a tripod it's pretty much worth the truck n' hump. I have considered making a dummy one to negate the need for tripods altogether.
    Don't touch that dial.
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