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  • ricorico Frets: 828
    57Deluxe said:
    Is only one Q to ask when looking at a guitar - will it help me play/sound better?
    Thought it was what does it look like on me in the mirror?
    Couldn’t decide on wis or lol, wis it is
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 8364
    aord43 said:
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    Maynehead said:


    I bought a £150 bottle of brandy once. I thought it would taste like the nectar of the gods... turned out it just tasted like brandy, albeit a little smoother.

    I find to get the most out of expensive booze it pays to taste them alongside a cheaper version.   I guarantee you will notice the difference and pick out more flavours if you do this. 


    the same should probably apply to guitar shopping.   If you want the £5k Gibson its probably worth playing a few cheaper and some alternative versions to make sure it is actually what you want.    Unless your are loaded and/or have the disposal income.  Perfectly fine to just buy one because you want to

    Ideally it should be a blind test because we are notoriously influenced by the psychology of a nice label, or just knowing that it's expensive.  Easier to do with a drink, but I did see a video (maybe Andertons?) where they did it with guitars.  Very interesting.
    that may be taking it a bit far for the average shopping trip  ;)
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 862
    Similar in only that Andertons asked me to turn down whilst in the booth when trying out an amp too :(
    Link to my trading feedback:  http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/59452/
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 18136
    I have limited experience of Gibson CS stuff - but I played a 2006 R7 back-to-back with a 2005 Standard (which was fitted with high-end PAF-alikes - the name of which escapes me). The R7 (with stock pick-ups) was significantly better sounding and felt much better.

    I tried them through a hand wired Victoria tweed combo.

    I know it’s ‘cool’ to suggest expensive stuff is a rip off - but my experience is that it is usually better than lower-priced alternatives. It won’t be true of every individual instrument - but generally, it is....
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2167
    Danny1969 said:
    I'm tight when it comes to guitars but I have friends who are collectors,in particular 2 of them own in excess of 160 Gibson's, PRS's, Fenders, Taylors, Martins, Duesenbergs, Guilds and some some appointed guitars.  I've gig'ed pretty much everything from basic USA Strats to Gibson and Fender Custom Shop anniversary models heading well into the 10K territory.

    In all the above the best setup guitars in terms of fit and finish and sheer perfection were Duesenburg's .... a bit too bling for me but the attention to detail and ease of playibiity on those guitars is something else !

    My actual favourite guitar to gig is a friends bog standard blonde Fender USA Tele ...... which cost about £700 second hand 

    I regularly gig with an EvH circles guitar with a Frankenstein pickup in it
    <£500 the lot
    and I have a lot of exotica
    its funny some guitars just grab you
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  • rossirossi Frets: 413
    Above a certain price everything is really just boast value .You drive a really hot low slung super car to get looked at and boast about ,not for practical everyday use.most are still not race track allowable .A large flash house says I am rich etc .Few stars seem to play super  expensive guitars  which must say something ..The best guitar i have played so far is an Albert Lee sig model which had a neck to die for but also it suited me .It fitted nicely and  sounded good ,had a super low action etc .Most  very pricey guitars are bought by collectors who just hang em on a wall .
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  • NunogilbertoNunogilberto Frets: 1270
    The example I always give is when I took the plunge and bought a Gibson SG Standard when I'd been playing my Epi SG for years. Yes, the Gibson was beautiful to look at and sounded great, but I was so used to my Epi which played superbly and had a nicer feeling neck, that I barely played the Gibson and eventually sold it. 

    I've since learned that a more expensive version of the guitar you have, does not necessarily mean 'better'.
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  • Never buy an expensive guitar because you'll never feel like you've got your money's worth, guaranteed.
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  • NelsonPNelsonP Frets: 428
    edited January 13
    WezV said:
    Maynehead said:


    I bought a £150 bottle of brandy once. I thought it would taste like the nectar of the gods... turned out it just tasted like brandy, albeit a little smoother.

    I find to get the most out of expensive booze it pays to taste them alongside a cheaper version.   I guarantee you will notice the difference and pick out more flavours if you do this. 

    Funny how our senses can deceive us. Sometimes you think something is better just because you paid more for it. Whether it really is objectively better doesn't matter much at that point. 

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis

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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1335
    The rate at which the price of CS Gibsons is increasing is insane. If it keeps up the trend, by the time I have enough disposable income to buy one Gibson will have been long bankrupt. 
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 8364
    NelsonP said:
    WezV said:
    Maynehead said:


    I bought a £150 bottle of brandy once. I thought it would taste like the nectar of the gods... turned out it just tasted like brandy, albeit a little smoother.

    I find to get the most out of expensive booze it pays to taste them alongside a cheaper version.   I guarantee you will notice the difference and pick out more flavours if you do this. 

    Funny how our senses can deceive us. Sometimes you think something is better just because you paid more for it. Whether it really is objectively better doesn't matter much at that point. 

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-tasting-junk-science-analysis


    Sigh. 

    better is a subjective term, but i get what you are saying.   notice i did not say expensive booze tastes "better".  

    I spend a lot of time drinking some of the "best" beers in the world.  I get why they are really good representations of their style, it doesn't automatically make them taste great.   
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  • Never buy an expensive guitar because you'll never feel like you've got your money's worth, guaranteed.
    Sorry fella but that's utter bollocks
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • LesbianWithAGunLesbianWithAGun Frets: 496
    edited January 14
    Never buy an expensive guitar because you'll never feel like you've got your money's worth, guaranteed.
    Sorry fella but that's utter bollocks
    Yeah, with my guitars, I'm happy I got them while I did thinking two things, like an easy £1, 000, 000.00 worth of fun (any day) and also; this thing could/maybe/might appreciate in value/glad I got it while I could.

    Never wanted my money back once.

    In fact, first one, I knew exactly what I'd spend the money on (and I did, it was that guitar I fell for)... and the second one (like twice the price), I walked in, saw it, asked to play it unplugged (My Gibson R7) then within 5 minutes, bought it. (Okay, it was the 2nd Gibson I played that day, having just played on an R9 somewhere else close by before this, this R7 ticked all the right boxes, so I bought it).
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  • LesbianWithAGunLesbianWithAGun Frets: 496
    edited January 14
    I like/love... I used to go window shopping late at night in Soho working from 9 pm sometimes to 4 am but usually ''till 1 am... From Old Compton Street/Greek Street/Manette Street, Charring Cross Road and, me being me based on Manette Street promoting The Borderline looking at Denmark Street, included Denmark Street (Of course/naturally because I've known it for years anyway)...
    I used to go look for Gibson Les Pauls (of a certain price and headstock) and any other nice guitars. A lot, sometimes 5/6 nights a week.

    I love how my guitar I got in 2011 came from there and looked like the other Gibson Les Pauls I liked all over with that same headstock I adore with the same machine heads I adore on that headstock I like... I used to stop and stare and gaze at those from 2014 - 2016 looking at these guitars like I did my Gibson Les Paul at home, then go home, and look at my Gibson Les Paul in the same way... Now I've got two... I love it... I love just looking at them, to be honest. - As well as playing them/how they sound etc etc.
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3403
    I have been interested in the Gibson Johnny A for a long time ; Interesting guitar
    Then I saw that there is recently available an Epiphone version that comes with the Gibson pickups as standard and some other minor Gibson hardware..........interesting
    Gibson £3680 v Epiphone £760 ..............ie ;a whopping £3,000 difference.
    Fast forward to an hour to kill in Guildford and a back to back test in Andertons;
    The Epi was reduced to £660 as it was ex-display........not that you would have noticed
    Results ;
                   Fit and Finish ............no real difference
                   Ease of use /Playability ........none
                   Looks ............Top on the Gibson was nicer figured but not especially of significant difference
                   Sound .........identical to my ears but some might have said the Epi was brighter .....play alongside drums and bass and you certainly wouldn't notice no matter how good your ears
                  Resale Value.....The Gibson will hurt you but the Epi will probably lose £200 maximum
                  Difference.......the Gibson neck definitely felt nicer in the hand and very slightly larger
     I would leave others to form their own conclusion but it simply seems to me that Gibson are confident enough of a cult following that their own market research suggests that the Epiphone model will not eclipse their premium line product.
     I would disagree on that point based on the huge price difference of £3000 .
    It is quite sobering, in reality, when you look around the shop and see that for the price difference you could walk away with the Epiphone TOGETHER with a Duesenburg and a Morgan AC20 amp ......or standard Tele and strat and a handful of Strymon pedals or even a spectacular Les Paul plus pedals.
     Does a "slightly nicer" feeling neck warrant such sacrifice ?
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  • FuengiFuengi Frets: 525
    Perception of quality in relation to cost.... there is a bit going on here that not even the best marketing people fully understand yet.

    What they do know is that once you've made a purchase decision your brain can physically change to endorse that decision. Strange but true.

    Personally, I tend to sway towards price value over high end or brands, and I'll justify that to myself and others post purchase.

    Other people are different, they want the top named brand regardless. I think you just need to work out what it is that you value, and go there. 
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  • bustromobustromo Frets: 0
    when I look back at my first guitar purchase, I cringe.  I just decided a wanted a PRS, found one in a nearby shop, and bought it without even bothering to give it a serious going over.  fortunately it was a PRS, so it was a good, solid guitar.  since then I've bought a couple of gibsons and fenders and my technique has not varied.  decide the basic type of guitar you want (strat, 335, tele - whatever) then spend a good few hours playing lots of them to identify the best (affordable) one in the shop.  if none of them blows your socks off, go to another shop.  take your time.  don't be rushed by the staff.  Buy the one that feels and sounds the best - you'll need to have played it for an hour or so to be sure.  In my experience there will usually be one that speaks to you more than the others. a good rule of thumb for deciding which guitars to take down from the wall - hold the bout with one hand and pluck the b string.  If you feel the body vibrating, you've found a live one.   
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