SOLD - Patrick Eggle Berlin Pro 1991

Namaqua

Back up for sale

Namaqua

After almost selling it to a fella for 1250 (his offer) I'm bumping it again

mondaypeanut

Interested to know when Paul Reed Smith said a Patrick Eggle was better than his guitar builds? Sounds like a bad business move to me.

Namaqua

mondaypeanut said:

Interested to know when Paul Reed Smith said a Patrick Eggle was better than his guitar builds? Sounds like a bad business move to me.

Not sure it was a public statement but I can say that on meeting Mr Smith in 2006, I mentioned this comment to him and he was [full of praise for the Berlin Pro when he came across them in the early nineties] saying there were things PRS picked up from Eggle to improve their custom line. 

Namaqua

I just found an old review of this particular geetar. Specs, no playing https://youtu.be/qnMHTH70G2k

maltingsaudio

Namaqua said:

mondaypeanut said:

Interested to know when Paul Reed Smith said a Patrick Eggle was better than his guitar builds? Sounds like a bad business move to me.

Not sure it was a public statement but I can say that on meeting Mr Smith in 2006, I mentioned this comment to him and he was [full of praise for the Berlin Pro when he came across them in the early nineties] saying there were things PRS picked up from Eggle to improve their custom line. 

Didn’t stop Paul putting a trade embargo on Eggle banning them from the U.S. The comment at the time went along the lines of I don’t to have to compete against my own designs. Ps definitely from first production run as no volute , added fairly quickly ie within a year of first launch. Serial number suggests 73rd one made, they started at 500

Namaqua

@maltingsaudio ;
thanks for that info on the production run. Didn’t realize that!

Namaqua

Interestingly I just found this. The serial is 500 on the card that Patrick hand wrote
https://imgur.com/gallery/iEYefYQ

maltingsaudio

Namaqua said:

Interestingly I just found this. The serial is 500 on the card that Patrick hand wrote
https://imgur.com/gallery/iEYefYQ

Well that’s a wow from me because that is the serial number of my Berlin Pro! 500 is the number painted on the guitar , 517 I think is on the card. 

Going to tag @RevMatt in this

Namaqua

maltingsaudio said:

Namaqua said:

Interestingly I just found this. The serial is 500 on the card that Patrick hand wrote
https://imgur.com/gallery/iEYefYQ

Well that’s a wow from me because that is the serial number of my Berlin Pro! 500 is the number painted on the guitar , 517 I think is on the card. 

Going to tag @RevMatt in this

So we’ve almost got each other’s cards, 2 out and it looks like you have the first one of the first batch

RevMatt

maltingsaudio said:

Going to tag @RevMatt in this

Well thank you. I have been following with interest...

Serial numbers on hangtags not matching the guitar isn't an unknown phenomenon, and has often been put down to the serial no. being stamped on the guitar out of sync with the card being written.

However, another possibility is that these two guitars have reviously been owned by the same person and the cards got mixed up.

On the question of serial numbers beginning at 500, this is thought to be correct and general evidence supports this, with the exception perhaps of the original run of JS Legends which definitely started at no. 1.

With regard to the absence of the volute on the earliest examples (1991- mid 1992), it's suggested that this represents the period when the necks were hand carved and adding a volute was too labour intensive, but this was added when they switched to machining the necks - this is mostly one of those anecdotal beliefs that has been passed down through the annals of time, but it makes sense.

Namaqua

RevMatt said:

maltingsaudio said:

Going to tag @RevMatt in this

Well thank you. I have been following with interest...

Serial numbers on hangtags not matching the guitar isn't an unknown phenomenon, and has often been put down to the serial no. being stamped on the guitar out of sync with the card being written.

However, another possibility is that these two guitars have reviously been owned by the same person and the cards got mixed up.

On the question of serial numbers beginning at 500, this is thought to be correct and general evidence supports this, with the exception perhaps of the original run of JS Legends which definitely started at no. 1.

With regard to the absence of the volute on the earliest examples (1991- mid 1992), it's suggested that this represents the period when the necks were hand carved and adding a volute was too labour intensive, but this was added when they switched to machining the necks - this is mostly one of those anecdotal beliefs that has been passed down through the annals of time, but it makes sense.

Interest grows. Thanks @RevMatt .
In terms of mixing cards up, the numbers aren't quite the same. 71 vs 73 so unfortunately not that simple. I'm sure the first theory is spot on though.

maltingsaudio

I can categorically deny that both guitars were owned by the same person as I ran a music shop in Plymouth at the time and we were one of the first dealers to sign up to Eggle and were only allowed to order 2 at a time.Tim the sales rep arrived with three guitars and said at that time I could only have 1, I chose my Berlin Pro from the three in bottle green, I didn’t check the hang tags Until later which say 514 Bottle Green. But the number on the headstock is 500 as well as on the original factory invoice which I still have. We did sell quite a few Eggles during our time but have never seen the tag that should have been on my guitar until today!

RevMatt

Great story @maltingsaudio - have you shared it (along with pictures) on the Eggle forum?

Namaqua

RevMatt said:

Great story @maltingsaudio - have you shared it (along with pictures) on the Eggle forum?

There’s an Eggle forum?

RevMatt

Indeed, albeit an unofficial one focussing on guitars produced in the 90s:

https://patrickeggleguitars.org/smf/index.php

trolley

maltingsaudio said:

I can categorically deny that both guitars were owned by the same person as I ran a music shop in Plymouth at the time and we were one of the first dealers to sign up to Eggle and were only allowed to order 2 at a time.Tim the sales rep arrived with three guitars and said at that time I could only have 1, I chose my Berlin Pro from the three in bottle green, I didn’t check the hang tags Until later which say 514 Bottle Green. But the number on the headstock is 500 as well as on the original factory invoice which I still have. We did sell quite a few Eggles during our time but have never seen the tag that should have been on my guitar until today!

That's interesting - because I lived in Plymouth in the 70's & 80's!What shop?

I went to Patrick Eggle & they 'customised' my LP for me. I was going to buy an LA  but, long story short, bought an MIII.

maltingsaudio

@trolley  Sandco 

trolley

That doesn’t ring any bells.
When? And where?

maltingsaudio

trolley said:

That doesn’t ring any bells.
When? And where?

On the Barbican opened 1990