Split from the GuitarTheft thread

Whitecat

57Deluxe said:

Where do you think they will try to sell the guitar?

Suspect that it's been stolen-to-order, so it won't actually pop up for sale anywhere for quite some time.

Garthy

Whitecat said:

57Deluxe said:

Where do you think they will try to sell the guitar?

Suspect that it's been stolen-to-order, so it won't actually pop up for sale anywhere for quite some time.

Could be exported- lots and lots of cars stolen to order go to the middle east and China.

mikem8634

mikem8634 said:

The first thread on this topic featured this from @Dominic -

"You only have to look at the woman to see where that's going unless it gets sold in Germany on the way which I would think is most likely"

@TTony I'd be interested to know if you consider there to be any casual racism in that.

TTony

mikem8634 said:

mikem8634 said:

The first thread on this topic featured this from @Dominic -

"You only have to look at the woman to see where that's going unless it gets sold in Germany on the way which I would think is most likely"

@TTony I'd be interested to know if you consider there to be any casual racism in that.

No.




*IF*, someone of a particular appearance, associated with any race , had walked into the shop, and everything was immediately locked based on their (racial) appearance, or a security guard had started following them around the shop, then they might be able to claim that the response was discriminatory, based on their racial appearance, and thus racist.

However, if the shop had been regularly targeted by people of the same appearance, then whether such a response is discriminatory or sensible is up for discussion.


But, as she's been proven to be a thieving cow, suggesting a likely destination for the stolen goods based on racial appearance isn't discriminatory, it's an assumption based on, or a deduction from, the available data.

munckee

A lot of people (in general not just on here) seem confused between what is racism and what is a generalisation.

ourmaninthenorth

chillidoggy said:

Whatever else they may be, they're both still thieving scumbag fuck-pigs.

This.

/thread.

mikem8634

TTony said:

mikem8634 said:

mikem8634 said:

The first thread on this topic featured this from @Dominic -

"You only have to look at the woman to see where that's going unless it gets sold in Germany on the way which I would think is most likely"

@TTony I'd be interested to know if you consider there to be any casual racism in that.

No.




*IF*, someone of a particular appearance, associated with any race , had walked into the shop, and everything was immediately locked based on their (racial) appearance, or a security guard had started following them around the shop, then they might be able to claim that the response was discriminatory, based on their racial appearance, and thus racist.

However, if the shop had been regularly targeted by people of the same appearance, then whether such a response is discriminatory or sensible is up for discussion.


But, as she's been proven to be a thieving cow, suggesting a likely destination for the stolen goods based on racial appearance isn't discriminatory, it's an assumption based on, or a deduction from, the available data.

Point 1 - The response was based on their (racial) appearance but they only MIGHT be able to claim it was discriminatory, based on their racial appearance, and thus racist. Why only might?

Point 2 - Wouldn't that be racial profiling? Is that okay?

Point 3 - It wasn't a suggestion it was presented as a certainty fed by a stereotype. It is a statement that is based on zero facts, contains zero facts and yet draws a certain conclusion. To call it a deduction from data is quite a spin.

StormshadowGuitars

mikem8634 said:

TTony said:

mikem8634 said:

mikem8634 said:

The first thread on this topic featured this from @Dominic -

"You only have to look at the woman to see where that's going unless it gets sold in Germany on the way which I would think is most likely"

@TTony I'd be interested to know if you consider there to be any casual racism in that.

No.




*IF*, someone of a particular appearance, associated with any race , had walked into the shop, and everything was immediately locked based on their (racial) appearance, or a security guard had started following them around the shop, then they might be able to claim that the response was discriminatory, based on their racial appearance, and thus racist.

However, if the shop had been regularly targeted by people of the same appearance, then whether such a response is discriminatory or sensible is up for discussion.


But, as she's been proven to be a thieving cow, suggesting a likely destination for the stolen goods based on racial appearance isn't discriminatory, it's an assumption based on, or a deduction from, the available data.

Point 1 - The response was based on their (racial) appearance but they only MIGHT be able to claim it was discriminatory, based on their racial appearance, and thus racist. Why only might?

Point 2 - Wouldn't that be racial profiling? Is that okay?

Point 3 - It wasn't a suggestion it was presented as a certainty fed by a stereotype. It is a statement that is based on zero facts, contains zero facts and yet draws a certain conclusion. To call it a deduction from data is quite a spin.

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

ourmaninthenorth

StormshadowGuitars said

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

Have you seen the bloody price of skips....nearly as much as the guitar's worth...

StormshadowGuitars

ourmaninthenorth said:

StormshadowGuitars said

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

Have you seen the bloody price of skips....nearly as much as the guitar's worth...

Tell me about it, I've had two in the last two weeks! 
Sadly no thieving scumbags to throw in them though

ourmaninthenorth

StormshadowGuitars said:

ourmaninthenorth said:

StormshadowGuitars said

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

Have you seen the bloody price of skips....nearly as much as the guitar's worth...

Tell me about it, I've had two in the last two weeks! 
Sadly no thieving scumbags to throw in them though

The thieving bollocks round my way are so lazy they fall asleep in 'em on copper pinching manoeuvres...

Causes the skip drivers no end of concern. 

mikem8634

StormshadowGuitars said:

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

Yeah, but that's not true is it?

And my guess is if you managed to apprehend them you wouldn't do want you suggest here, you would phone the police and obey the rule of law. Wise move.

Fretwired

TTony said:

Dominic said:

and I feel so humbled by having dared to suggest that the woman looked Roma ..........seems to have upset one chap
Oh ,look it's snowing today

He asked me to  review that post for casual racism.

There is nothing racist in that quote.  

Going out on a limb and probably heading to a cooler near shefguitar I'd say it is casual racism. I work for a number of public sector agencies who would class that as casual racism.  Why? A woman who stole a guitar was described as being Roma - why not just Eastern European or Spanish or Italian or Indian (the Romani people are from northern India)? There was a theft so Roma was the first thing that came to mind - the shop had been 'gypped' ..

Look how the police describe the woman .. 

StormshadowGuitars

mikem8634 said:

StormshadowGuitars said:

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

Yeah, but that's not true is it?

Well i guess your probably right, a few offended at everything types (Racist?) and that's racist finger pointers are.
They still need a beating and throwing in a skip however the woman was described, racist to some and not to others.

FelineGuitars

Shopkeepers may be wary of shifty looking teens in hoodies , and those teens may feel unfairly profiled but maybe experience has taught the shopkeeper that similarly dressed youths in their area are often on the rob.

Most good con-artists are convincing and look the part.....

In the case of the couple they looked like a pretty respectable middle aged couple and the shopkeeper may have assumed that high end guitars would be their choice as they looked like they had deep pockets (Turns out she did have very deep pockets).

mikem8634

StormshadowGuitars said:

mikem8634 said:

StormshadowGuitars said:

But no one cares, they're fucking scumbag thieves who walked into a shop and out with an £11k guitar. 
They wanted taking round the back, beating with a 3x2 with nails in and throwing in a fucking skip

Yeah, but that's not true is it?

Well i guess your probably right, a few offended at everything types (Racist?) and that's racist finger pointers are.
They still need a beating and throwing in a skip however the woman was described, racist to some and not to others.

As I edited above - And my guess is if you managed to apprehend them you wouldn't do want you suggest here, you would phone the police and obey the rule of law. Wise move.

If you are suggesting that I am offended by anything that has been posted then you are wrong.

mikem8634

FelineGuitars said:

Shopkeepers may be wary of shifty looking teens in hoodies , and those teens may feel unfairly profiled but maybe experience has taught the shopkeeper that similarly dressed youths in their area are often on the rob.

Most good con-artists are convincing and look the part.....

In the case of the couple they looked like a pretty respectable middle aged couple and the shopkeeper may have assumed that high end guitars would be their choice as they looked like they had deep pockets (Turns out she did have very deep pockets).

Good point. The difference in being wary of hoodies and racial profiling, of course, is that you can always wear something else.

underdog

Could people stop being offended on behalf of other people please, and also stop reading posts and looking for implications that were never there.

mikem8634

underdog said:

Could people stop being offended on behalf of other people please, and also stop reading posts and looking for implications that were never said.

If that is, at least in part, directed at me, does it make any difference at all that I keep telling people that I'm not offended? I know what offended feels like, and this isn't it.

digitalscream

mikem8634 said:

underdog said:

Could people stop being offended on behalf of other people please, and also stop reading posts and looking for implications that were never said.

If that is, at least in part, directed at me, does it make any difference at all that I keep telling people that I'm not offended? I know what offended feels like, and this isn't it.

Well, in that case...just like the choice of teens to not wear a hoodie, you could always choose to stop banging on about it in an effort to be Right On The Internet.