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rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1546
Bit of market research for something I’m working on.  Do you/ have you bought any lessons online? The download ones I mean not Skype type stuff. 

If if you have, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Why did you get them and not search for the same kind of content from a free source? 

Were they what you expected? Did you get what you wanted from them? 

Did you buy just one or more or do you intend I buy more from the same provider or someone else? 

Was it it a more basic lesson or more advanced? 

all replies much appreciated.  

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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1546
    Also, if you don’t have the time to answer all questions, a simple yes they’re great or no they’re shit would be fine. ;-) 

    I play guitar and take photos of stuff. I also like beans on toast.

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  • ClashmanClashman Frets: 132
    Never tried them.
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 6878
    Yes but not for guitar, for audio. Am currently an URM Academy Enhanced member.

    I got them because I’d been listening to the podcast for a while and I’d learned so much from it I figured I could learn more from the courses.

    The Fast Track courses are very clear and well organised. Worth it to me. Learned stuff even on concepts I thought I had a decent grasp of.

    Its a monthly fee so buying individually doesn’t really count for the core content in general, though you can buy past content (which I have done).

    I also have bought some courses from Creative Live but haven’t had time to dig in to those properly yet.
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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 6036
    kind of, for violin. Basically, the video is available for free but you pay for the text of the lesson. I went for this as often the free lessons, while generally good, can not always be well arranged and I was spending more time watching free stuff that didn't match what I wanted. The paid for stuff said up front what it covered, so in the long run I figured it was cheaper.

    They were expected as you knew you paid what you were getting.

    Yes, I bought two books worth of lessons based on the free video content.

    From beginner to grade 3.

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  • carloscarlos Frets: 1248
    Why did you get them and not search for the same kind of content from a free source? 
    The tutors are fairly unique in the guitar world, so I couldn't get from somebody else what I got from them.
    Were they what you expected? Did you get what you wanted from them? 
    Funnily the one that was just a person talking to camera with a little editing was better than the one that had more production and transcriptions. Both were value for money.
    Did you buy just one or more or do you intend I buy more from the same provider or someone else? 
    I ended up buying all 3 Monder lessons from MyMusicMasterclass. If he did 10, I'd buy 10. 
    Was it it a more basic lesson or more advanced? 

    More advanced. The basic stuff is well covered on the freebie market.

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  • MoominpapaMoominpapa Frets: 405
    Yes - coincidentally just in the last week I bought a lesson from the Mike's Master Classes site - Tom Lippincott on fingerstyle jazz guitar. I bought it because it was pitched at a relatively  beginner level (which is what I wanted) and seemed a reasonable value for 1hr 50 mins of video. I don't purchase a lot of video instructional material, but I'm happy to when it just fits what I need at that moment. I'm not in a position to take lessons right now, so I didn't have any problem with getting a video that I can rewatch whenever I like for a cost that I imagine is close to what I would pay for a one-on-one lesson. (Not knocking real life lessons at all - just saying that for me right now this is a good substitute.)
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  • BranshenBranshen Frets: 796
    not bought any. I consider myself an intermediate player and there are plenty of video lessons to watch at my level. I have however bought many theory books like "the jazz theory book" to work through slowly in my own time.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15782
    Yes, I buy online lessons. I've had stuff from Jam Track Central, True Fire, Lick Library  and other sites. I generally look for stuff that will improve my playing and get me into a new genre. For example, I bought a jazz course on True Fire.
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  • DLMDLM Frets: 1747
    @guitarfishbay Oooh, you've taken the plunge! Cool.
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  • aord43aord43 Frets: 285
    I've bought a few when on special offer.  I have bought courses on genres; on specific techique; and also "here's a piece I wrote, you can learn to play it".  I tend to wait for the big discounts. 

    I have bought multiple from the same source, yes.  I tend to get intermediate stuff rather than beginner or advanced.  That shows my level I guess.  But it is definitely material to push me a little.

    One benefit of the courses I have bought over what I've found free, is that you get videos, MP3, and PDF covering the same material.  For free tutorials I find myself making tab myself from what they are describing or playing (perhaps that's not such a bad thing!) also I feel I can trust paid for material more (depends who it's from I guess).
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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 6036
    I would add to my above re paying, I am a basic believer that people deserve and should get paid for their work, whether than be in the form of CD's etc, or lessons. If by paying we keep the content at a more professional level we help reduce this race to the bottom that seems to be happening.

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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 722
    edited April 17
    I've purchase quite a lot. I also watch quite a lot of free stuff.

    For recording techniques I've purchased quite a lot from Groove 3
    For guitar I've purchased tutorials from Lick Library, Jamtracks and Troy Grady.

    I purchased tutorials that target specific areas of interest. Plus sometimes I feel that I need to support some providers that provide good free stuff.

    It's not a competition.
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1546
    All very useful info thanks guys. 

    Initial thoughts are are that my idea of a somewhat unconventional series of lessons might not be the way to go but still useful. I guess I’ll test the water when I pull my finger out and get the YouTube thing back up and running. 

    I play guitar and take photos of stuff. I also like beans on toast.

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  • pmbombpmbomb Frets: 174
    edited April 17
    I have a year of guitartricks.com, and also Justin Sandercoe's starter books. All bought with good intentions but never used - but I will use guitartricks to learn Tush for the southern jam. I took a quick look, the tutorial is much more detailed than anything on Youtube, great quality.

    But for song learning I tend to find Youtube (perhaps a couple from different channels) works very well. That, and the record, and a bit of tab maybe. I learnt You Shook Me All Night Long this way, including Erich Andreas' play along (no tab) video for the solo, which stretched me and improved my ear I think.

    I did a year of personal lessons, good teacher and vital to keeping me on track for the difficult first year when it can all be a bit overwhelming, but that's currently on pause due to a) time pressures b) an awareness I need more practice not more knowledge.

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy an online lesson if it was appropriate to what I needed. I guess that would be more specialist knowledge - but I am probably years away from needing that.

    This is the Shook Me solo video - his approach is "watch, listen and copy" rather than "put x finger on y fret of z string then h finger on i fret of j string" - my life those ones are boring!


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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 3280
    I do two different sorts of paid-for online tuition - Truefire (passport) that I dip in and out of, and the JimmyBruno jazz tuition website.

    Also I hoard useful YouTube free lessons (links or downloaded)
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8601
    I signed up for jazz guitar tuition from jazzguitar.be, got a whole pile of emails from them but only had the time to follow a few of them up.
    "Working" software has only unobserved bugs. (Parroty Error: Pieces of Nine! Pieces of Nine!)
    Seriously: If you value it, take/fetch it yourself
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  • markblagdonmarkblagdon Frets: 584

    I use Truefire (Year subscription) and some individual lessons from youtube people whos videos I've enjoyed and match my musical style (Papastache, Stitch method).

    Of the Papastache ones ive purchased (which are video with pdf of tab and a backing track) I like the fact I can watch bits over again, get the tab (which I annotate with Chord notes) and a track to apply the licks over. But he also talks around other ways to get a similar lick sound (varying strings/fret position), or variations on a theme (adding passing notes, dynamics, using RH fingers, tempo)- that you don't get from a book.

    Have had 1:1 tuition, but felt that 30 mins for £17 wasn't good value for money -  I don't want to pay someone to write out the tab while I sat there, or try to answer my "how do I play Rolling stones style rhythm techniques" when they don't seem to recall any of their songs.


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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 6878
    DLM said:
    @guitarfishbay Oooh, you've taken the plunge! Cool.
    @DLM ;

    Yeah and wish I’d done it sooner.

    I thought I’d need long stretches of time to benefit from it. The fast track courses (for enhanced members) are sectioned off in to small chunks, very easy to watch a few when it suits, even though many of the courses end up being a couple of hours long.

    The live mix videos are several hours long, still haven’t managed to watch a full one, but they provide time codes for each interesting section so I have sometimes gone and watched how guy X solved problem Y if it’s a specific issue I have been having.

    Definitely recommend trying a month or so of enhanced if you’re interested. I’ve felt like it’s clearer tuition than I’ve seen elsewhere on YouTube/forums etc
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  • DLMDLM Frets: 1747

    @guitarfishbay I don't even have a recording set-up anymore. Need an interface. I had bought a UR22 as a cheap starter, but returned it because I couldn't stop it clipping and never got around to replacing it. Anyway, I remember how long it took me to get going (just getting the audio in) in Cubase with my first set up years ago, it's not as if I was even up to learning anything about mixing. I was listening to the URM podcast for the artist interviews, essentially, and then found I was having more fun with I'd Hit That, Tone Talk, etc...

    On topic: I've never bought an online course. Given it some serious consideration with the Troy Grady stuff, yes, but what essentially amounts to a band breakup means I'm having to re-evaluate what I wanna do with music and I've not come to any sort of conclusion on what that might be. :|

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  • Matt_McGMatt_McG Frets: 59
    I use Truefire (annual subscription), and have previously subscribed to Troy Grady's site (really useful, imho) and to Mike Outram's ElectricCampfire site (really really good quality jazz tuition, but I just didn't have the time with a toddler and a new job to do it justice).
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  • antonyivantonyiv Frets: 53
    I buy a lot and totally love online lessons. 

    For guitar: I buy lessons from Truefire on regular basis. I really like Tom Quayle and My Twangy Guitar lessons as well. I still have monthly subscription on Ultimate Guitar which I’m using for tabs.

    Other stuff: I buy writing lessons from Masterclass.com. And I have pretty good collection for web and graphic design from many teachers.

    I would definitely prefer streaming instead of download.
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5403
    edited April 18

    Bit of market research for something I’m working on.  Do you/ have you bought any lessons online? The download ones I mean not Skype type stuff. 

    If if you have, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Why did you get them and not search for the same kind of content from a free source? 

    Were they what you expected? Did you get what you wanted from them? 

    Did you buy just one or more or do you intend I buy more from the same provider or someone else? 

    Was it it a more basic lesson or more advanced? 

    all replies much appreciated.  

    I've bought a load of lessons over the years.

    For a while I was a member of guitarmasterclass.net.  The reason I joined this site was because you could interact with the teachers on the forum and you could download the material.  I joined to get access to Ben Higgins's stuff as he was the most advanced rock orientated guy on there. 

    I left the site after a while as the stuff wasn't really that unique that I couldn't have got it somewhere for free.  I liked Ben's "in the style of" videos that he did on Youtube and they were my main reason for joining the site. 

    I also bought a number of Truefire lessons.  From memory I bought Pat Martino, Steve Vai, Tim Miller and all of Fareed Haque's lessons. 

    The Pat Martino lessons were OK - I have his Quantum Guitar DVDs and most of the Truefire stuff was recycled from that.  I got a refund as it wasn't anything new to me and bought Tim Miller's lesson instead.  This was good and wasn't anything that I could have got online for free due to Tim's unique 2 1 2 approach and how he uses these shapes. 

    The Steve Vai lesson was alright, nothing to give an insight into his playing, just him playing parts from songs.  I bought it because I'm a big Vai fan. 

    The Fareed Haque stuff is alright, nothing you couldn't get elsewhere online for free, apart from his Indian influenced lesson, that is quite unique and I got some new ideas from it.

    I bought a number of lessons from Jazzheaven, Mikesmasterclass and mymusicmasterclass too. 

    The ones from Mikesmasterclass were with Tom Lippincott and I couldn't have got the stuff anywhere else.  He went very in depth and I got a lot out of it.  The videos were quite long - over 2 hours IIRC - and he is quite dry and it is hard going. 

    Jazzheaven lesson was with Lage Lund and was his Jazz Guitar Chord Vocab course.  Again, because his approach is modern and unique, I couldn't have got the stuff anywhere else.  One you know his approach, it isn't anything ground breaking.  His phrasing makes it special. 

    The thing I didn't like about jazzheaven was that you had to pay extra to be able to download your lesson, or pay even more to be able to access it forever.  I was able to find a work around for this and could download a copy easy enough. 

    The mymusicmasterclass lessons was with Mike Moreno.  Again, like the Lage Lund one, I couldn't have got it anywhere else due to his unique approach.  I did learn lots from it, although it started off basic e.g. talking about 3rds and 7ths. 

    For about 6 months I was a member of Tim Miller's site.  When you're a member you have access to everything, with tabs in pdf format.  You could also interact with Tim on his message board.

    I took away a lot of info, but I felt that a lot of material was getting recycled from week to week.  I also felt that Tim wasn't that helpful in answering some questions on the forum.  Eventually I left the site, in part due to the lack of new material and the lack of detailed answers on the forum.

    The most money I've spent is with Troy Grady's lessons.  I've bought all the lessons on his site and am also a member.  I have learnt the most on there about technique than I have anywhere else. 

    Another source of lessons was from Wayne Krantz's site.  He offered audio lessons for sale a lot of years ago and these were very unique.  I bought them more for curiosity as he is interesting to listen to.  I learnt a lot about his approach.


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  • BlueingreenBlueingreen Frets: 664
    Never paid for a course, although I've used lots of online tuition in a fairly random and unstructured way.  I have bought screeds of books for guitar and bass.

    What I would pay for, but think would be hard to find, is someone who would assess my strengths and weaknesses, and from a discussion of my musical interests help devise a road map for progress.

    As far as I'm concerned a teacher who starts off by asking me to identify discrete and achievable goals is not earning his or her corn.  If I'm already clear what my short term, achievable goals ought to be I think I can get there without a teacher: there's plenty of very good free or inexpensive material out there.

    What would be much more valuable is someone capable of saying "I can see you're working on x, y and z, and although they are all valuable in themselves I don't think what you're doing is the most efficient way of becoming the kind of player you want to be.  If I were you I'd be concentrating on this program instead."

    Whether it's viable to do something like that with online courses I don't know, there'd obviously have to be some direct teacher/student contact.   But I don't see anything less as being worth paying for, unless it really is inexpensive.

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  • Matt_McGMatt_McG Frets: 59

    Bit of market research for something I’m working on.  Do you/ have you bought any lessons online? The download ones I mean not Skype type stuff. 

    If if you have, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Why did you get them and not search for the same kind of content from a free source? 

    Were they what you expected? Did you get what you wanted from them? 

    Did you buy just one or more or do you intend I buy more from the same provider or someone else? 

    Was it it a more basic lesson or more advanced? 

    all replies much appreciated.  

    I've bought a load of lessons over the years.

    ...

    The Fareed Haque stuff is alright, nothing you couldn't get elsewhere online for free, apart from his Indian influenced lesson, that is quite unique and I got some new ideas from it.

    I bought a number of lessons from Jazzheaven, Mikesmasterclass and mymusicmasterclass too. 




    That is super helpful information, as some of those are ones I've considered myself.
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5403
    Ross if you’re thinking of creating some kind of lesson site then, what I like, is downloadable PDF format tabs of the lessons.  The tabs should be created in something like Guitar Pro, not handwritten.  

    I also like downloadable videos or Audio.   The reason is that I can open them in VLC or Transcribe! and loop or slow down certain sections while I play along.  Even when I find a YouTube lesson I like I use YouTube-dl to download it and add it to my archive of guitar lessons.  

    If a site doesn’t offer a downloadable option, there is pretty much always a way to download the video one way or another, so they may as well offer up the download imo.  
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  • lukedlblukedlb Frets: 166
    I've long been tempted to start with TXBA. The lessons are good and the cost is very reasonable:
    https://texasbluesalley.com
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  • EvoEvo Frets: 91
    I’ve dabbled in a fair few different online courses. Most value so far has probably been the Tom Quayle stuff, both through his own site and licklibrary. 

    Im currently a TrueFire all access member, but don’t really feel that their approach is quite right for me. Same with jamtrackcentral. There’s a lot of “here’s some playing” and now “here’s the tab”, without any real explanation or teaching other than parroting the notes. So while I can play “Whatever style” licks, I haven’t really learned anything in depth.

    On the flip side of the coin, I’ve always loved Mattias Eklundh’s music and his lesson material actually inspired me enough to hop on a plane to Sweden and get some 1 to 1 time with him. Best guitar playing decision I’ve ever made, completely refuelled my musical soul. 

    I guess my playing is at a point where I’m not too fussed about what the tab is, I can work that out myself. I just want to know more about different approaches and ways of thinking.
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5403
    Evo said:
    I’ve dabbled in a fair few different online courses. Most value so far has probably been the Tom Quayle stuff, both through his own site and licklibrary. 

    Im currently a TrueFire all access member, but don’t really feel that their approach is quite right for me. Same with jamtrackcentral. There’s a lot of “here’s some playing” and now “here’s the tab”, without any real explanation or teaching other than parroting the notes. So while I can play “Whatever style” licks, I haven’t really learned anything in depth.

    On the flip side of the coin, I’ve always loved Mattias Eklundh’s music and his lesson material actually inspired me enough to hop on a plane to Sweden and get some 1 to 1 time with him. Best guitar playing decision I’ve ever made, completely refuelled my musical soul. 

    I guess my playing is at a point where I’m not too fussed about what the tab is, I can work that out myself. I just want to know more about different approaches and ways of thinking.

    @Evo where is Mattias's instructional material?  Are you talking about his Freak Guitar Camp tab books?
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  • EvoEvo Frets: 91
    The growing your own moustache series, yes.

    I think he's up to volume 6 now, once he started putting videos of the tracks on YouTube, a lot of the stuff made a lot more sense. The stuff that still didn't click, is why I went over to Sweden.

    Some of his clinic stuff on YouTube offers some great insights into his playing too. His more recent stuff is heavily "konnokol'd up" so once that clicks in place then you start to see where it all comes from

    Despite the chaos, there is definite method to his Viking madness. 
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  • mburekengemburekenge Frets: 508
    Truefire - I have a lot of the Robben Ford stuff. I think he's a great teacher as well as a great player. 

    I have a couple of JTC masterclasses - Martin miller visualisation and the arpeggio one. They are both good but some of the tab had errors which irritates me. 

    I've used Texas blues alley. His stuff is good on that srv / Hendrix vibe. His concept of 'blues boxes' annoys me though. Just relate it to standard music theory please.

    I'm a studio nerd, so i signed up to tim pierce's masterclass. Its not very structured, but everything on there is musical and useful imo
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