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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32822
    As already said, the bare braided shielded cable is the most likely culprit. It doesn't look like the cap leg is quite touching the pot, and even if it was it wouldn't mute the guitar unless the tone control was turned right down.

    Also check the jack - a totally dead guitar is most often caused by a short there than anywhere else.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    Thanks for the answers I will work through them one by one to see if I can get some sound of it which will help the project I think!
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32822
    The easiest way to troubleshoot it is to take the control plate off the guitar, and remove the jack as well - just leave it all hanging loose. Plug that into the amp and you should be able to move wires around and see if anything is shorting.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • SeshSesh Frets: 866
    Before desoldering anything I'd use insulation tape to add temporary separation between any bits that might be touching.
    Can't sing, can't dance, can handle a guitar a little.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    ^^it's very likely that braided wire from the pickup is hitting the input terminal of the volume control. 
    It was two things one of the jack wires had come off when I tightened the socket, then I followed ICMBs suggestion connected when everything was loose and it all worked, but didn't work when I connected it because braid the braided wire was touching the switch, I have put some tubing round the braided wire and got it to work.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    Next job setting the thing up, should be easier than a strat but isn't.  I have compensated brass saddles, as a rough guide how high should they be from the bridge and how far away from the bridge?, strings are touching frets and I can't tell if its neck relief or saddle height.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    Well it plays, might need further set up but I seem to have tamed it.  Really pleased with it so far neck is lovely, the creamery red 79 sounds really cool.  Not quite as out and out twang as I planned for a tele bridge but almost funk like twang to it.  The absolute stand out for me is the filtertron made by @Alegree that is something special.  Sounds like a strat neck or a really bell like humbucker depending on what you are playing.  Whole idea of a tele project came from not being happy with the neck pickup in a 50s roadworn (tex mex) and the filtertron is exactly what sound I wanted.

    Will get some pictures up shortly.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585

    So here is the beast:

    https://i.imgur.com/DcR0t9q.jpg?1

    https://i.imgur.com/WfUUvk6.jpg?1

    With body and neck from @caspercaster bridge pickup from @paulnb57 and generous donations of kit from each of them.  Neck filtertron from @alegree together with various bits.

    I'm still intending to put a 7.25 rosewood neck on it at some point and needs another go at setting it up but sounds brilliant and I wired it all myself from scratch which was a new experience.  I can see why people buy pre-wired but I learned a lot.

    Thanks to everyone for the considered wisdom and assistance!

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  • CasperCasterCasperCaster Frets: 193
    edited June 8
    That Torty pickguard looks ace - where did you get it? Also, can you do a closeup pic of the bridge - saddles look wrong to me (should be angled the other way, especially low E-A), but difficult to see clearly in current pictures - I'll be honest, I know I had a set of angled saddles, but didn't look at them thoroughly before I sent them out to you - I was just trying to get things packaged up quuckly. Anyway, if they aren't right I have others which I'll send to you so you can get it right.
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  • paulnb57paulnb57 Frets: 1177
    Looks great! Soo glad you didnt strip the body!
    Stranger from another planet welcome to our hole - Just strap on your guitar and we'll play some rock 'n' roll

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  • lovestrat74lovestrat74 Frets: 368
    Excellent post @CasperCaster ;
    +1
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  • lovestrat74lovestrat74 Frets: 368
    Well done for persevering - looks great @munckee (with a little help from his friends)

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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    paulnb57 said:
    Looks great! Soo glad you didnt strip the body!
    Its survived so far for being satin nitro.  @lovestrat74 had a stripped baja at the southern jam that looked amazing.  I will wait until I get the rosewood neck on before deciding.  I do like it but I really like natural and faded sunburst...

    @caspercaster the pickguard came from guitars electric on ebay, I've used them before and liked their guards.  I did have to file the humbucker hole to get it to fit.

    Re the bridge saddles, I could tell they are wrong and I think the neck action needs amending.  Do you think I just need to turn the saddles around or have I got the saddles in the wrong order, I struggled to find much about height and depth of brass saddles.
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  • lovestrat74lovestrat74 Frets: 368
    munckee said:

    Re the bridge saddles, I could tell they are wrong and I think the neck action needs amending.  Do you think I just need to turn the saddles around or have I got the saddles in the wrong order, I struggled to find much about height and depth of brass saddles.
    Should be like this:


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  • CasperCasterCasperCaster Frets: 193
    @lovestrat74 picture above shows what they should be like perfectly. I think you'll have to swap saddles around so that the E-A and b-e saddles are the same angle (low E and b closest to bridge on their respective saddles). The D-g is angled the other way as you can see in the picture. If I've sent the wrong saddlles let me know and I'll pop some others in the post 
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    @lovestrat74 picture above shows what they should be like perfectly. I think you'll have to swap saddles around so that the E-A and b-e saddles are the same angle (low E and b closest to bridge on their respective saddles). The D-g is angled the other way as you can see in the picture. If I've sent the wrong saddlles let me know and I'll pop some others in the post 
    Have changed round the saddles and I think sorted the set up.  Had an issue with the action which turned out to be the neck not being sat quite right, only 1mm or so but correcting made a huge difference.

    Only issue now is I have realised the inbetween position does not appear to incorporate the bridge pickup so more meddling required!
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    Anyone have any thoughts on why the middle position is neck only, I have from what I can see followed the schematic?
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  • AlegreeAlegree Frets: 361
    Put the switch in the middle position and see the which lugs the metal contacts on either side touch. Your neck pickup or wire to the volume pot won't be connected to one of those.
    Alegree pickups & guitar supplies - www.alegree.co.uk
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    So ordered a 7.25 rosewood allparts nitro finished neck from @gavin_axecaster which is an absolute humdinger together with a bone nut.  Didn't need any work and is just what I wanted.  Quick pic will take some decent ones later.  Amp is for sale in the classifieds!

    https://i.imgur.com/OQdVPJq.jpg

    Its gone from a funny looking thing to an absolute beaut....
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 2014
    IMHO that’s looks better than with the maple fretboard.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    edited July 17
    Have checked the wiring again, from what I can see I have followed this exactly:

    https://i.imgur.com/eRZiDIZ.jpg
    But the middle position is just neck.  Not very clear from this picture but is the same as the diagram except the filtertron has the single wire and the metal shielding is acting as the ground.  I added to this a single wire between the two pots as an additional ground, the black wire at the top of the picture.  I have checked the conenctions and they all seem physically attached.
    https://i.imgur.com/jmpJEIy.jpg

    Which connection links the bridge to the middle switch as I will start by desoldering and reattaching.

    Any help as usual gratefully received!

    Edit I do not have the second capacitor between the volume pot and the switch as this was not on my diagram or the video I followed.
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  • AlegreeAlegree Frets: 361
    edited July 17
    Edit - I think an output connection is missing from the top left lug of the switch.

    Alegree pickups & guitar supplies - www.alegree.co.uk
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1315
    Is it me or in your pic have you got the bridge going to the 1st terminal? Your diagram show it should go to the second terminal... also, the leg in your cap looks like it’s touching the back of the pot, get some heat sink on it!
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    Sorry think this is the one I used from Seymour Duncan:

    https://i.imgur.com/jooay7a.jpg

    @poopot I did check the cap its not touching.
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  • AlegreeAlegree Frets: 361
    3rd one down on the right side is likely your issue.
    Alegree pickups & guitar supplies - www.alegree.co.uk
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1315
    This needs a link...



    Plus, even tho’ the cap is not touching, get some insulation on there anyway!!!
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    poopot said:
    This needs a link...



    Plus, even tho’ the cap is not touching, get some insulation on there anyway!!!
    righto chief will do.
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  • MegiiMegii Frets: 878
    Great looking build, what a beaut! Nice job that man. :)
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1585
    Alegree said:
    3rd one down on the right side is likely your issue.
    Was the one above it on the left side, now all working.  The guitar is better than my roadworn tele I disposed of.  Absolutely love it.
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