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TJT1979TJT1979 Frets: 34
Hi all,

I am thinking of putting together a single-pickup Cabronita style build. The neck will be a one-piece Warmoth roasted maple with stainless frets, with their 10-16" compound radius. The body will be homemade from old pine.

I think I want a slightly overwound pickup. I don't play completely clean at all... mostly light - med crunch. Rhythm in a rock band with another guitarist. Always rehearsals or live, hence slightly hotter than the typical 5K bridge, to give more mids. I still want the dynamics and typical twang. Definition in the lower strings - not muddy.

Fender 52-53mm spacing with a very flat radius (18" ish) by the time it gets to the bridge.

Has anyone had experience with Creamery Black Cats, MojoTrons or CowTRons?

Questions:

Is there much tonal difference between TV Jones-sized pickups and full humbucker versions?

The Supertron blade style ones are supposed to be more balanced and slightly warmer. Are there any downsides? I would need to check with the builders whether the blades have a radius. They seem more popular in the neck position, not sure why....

Is there anything I am overlooking? Any advice/recommendations welcome!

Cheers
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 7547
    I was the guy who originally asked Oil City to build the CowTrons, and still use one of the original prototypes Ash sent me. 

    I had another one, but a friend of mine liked it so much he 'stole' it for his ash bodied telecaster build, where it sounds utterly fantastic. 

    Low string definition is critical to me, and these excel at it, truly brilliant pickups. 

    As far as the other details are concerned, contact Oil City, they can pretty much do whatever you want. 
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 820
    I don't know about the tonal difference but Alegree on here has made me a humbucker size filtertron to my spec for a telecaster project and he has wound it to go with the bridge single coil.


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  • JohnPerryJohnPerry Frets: 1258
    I have some TV Jones Powertrons in a Cabronita and some overwound humbucker-sized Mojotrons in a Reverend. Both sound fantastic and very similar to me

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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 1226
    Cowtrons are Dynasonic style single coils. For Filtertrons, the coils being close together is critical to the tone.  Many HB style Filtertrons have coils placed with regular spacing, which results in a more PAF like tone.  Lollertrons being my prime example, they are nice, but not typically Filtertron like. 

    If if you want Filtertrons, but proper Filtertrons. TV Jones or Gretsch HS. I even love the Blacktop Filtertrons, they sound excellent with gain when dialled in ‘just so’. 


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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 3244
    Check out Mojo's Mojo-tron range - lots of options.

    Looks like he's swamped again at the moment, but it'll give you a feel for what Marc makes.
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

    Feedback
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  • BillKatBillKat Frets: 978

     Fletcher Pickups is another UK alternative, demo here. Got two guitars with these. He's also got a set halfway between the trad and classic+ type DCR now.
    Despite the low DCR the trad winds have decent output because of the big fat mag. The 8k-ish winds are great though in the bridge especially, more meat more mids but can still do the chimey thing.

    I like Blacktops too, tighter bass, nice with drive. Modern ones are alnico despite what you often read, the old ones might've been ceramic but the re-made versions aren't.


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  • DodgeDodge Frets: 300
    edited May 18
    I've got TV Jones, Oil City Cowtrons and I've had Mojo 'Trons in the past (all HB sized).  All are excellent.

    If I was buying again, I'd stick with Oil City or Mojo, purely on price alone.  Oil City are a smidge more bright than the TV Jones.  When I had the TV Jones and Mojo at the same time, there wasn't a huge difference between them, but they were in different guitars.

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  • TeyeplayerTeyeplayer Frets: 584
    Mojo are as good as tv jones in my experience and cheaper to purchase in the uk. Interested to try a set of fletchers at some point in the not too distant future for another point of comparison, as they come well recommended.
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  • TJT1979TJT1979 Frets: 34
    Thanks for all your comments.

    I am confident that Mojo, Creamery and Oil City will all produce an equally-excellent product.

    Any more thoughts on HB vs vintage sizing? Or blades vs polepieces?

    Thanks.
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 8025

    I have 3 variants from mojo ready to wire up - but obviously I can't comment on how they sound just yet

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  • TJT1979TJT1979 Frets: 34
    Flethcher is an option I wasn't aware of. He's cheap!

    Looks like the Gretsch-sized ones only come in 51mm spacing for the bridge. A bit narrower than my 53mm hardtail bridge spacing. Not sure if that would make much difference.
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  • TJT1979TJT1979 Frets: 34
    WezV said:

    I have 3 variants from mojo ready to wire up - but obviously I can't comment on how they sound just yet

    Very interested to hear your thoughts comparing the blades vs polepieces! What spec are these?

    Actually, two questions. What's the string spacing on the classic version? (E to E, centre of polepieces)

    Do the blades have a radius on top? Or are they flat?
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 8025
    the polepiece spacingon the neck pickup is about 48mm/1.9"

    The blade has a radius on top - adds a bit of height to the pickup

    I have not actually checked the specs as i didn't order these.... not sure if its the 4k versions or 8k
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  • TJT1979TJT1979 Frets: 34
    Thanks! Your thoughts on sounds would be very welcome once they're in.
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