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  • DodgeDodge Frets: 322
    Dodge said:
    Thanks for all the info guys. Still seems to be a bit of a grey area around gigging volumes though?

    Last night we threw together a gig in a wee pub and we weren’t mic’d up. I had my 100 watt Marshall running with MV at around 10 o’clock and that was just audible for me. Solo boosts were no hassle though.

    How does the Cub take pedals? I’d need to run a Thorpy Veteran into it at the very least
    I don't know what a Thorpy Veteran is, but the Cub is basically a 15 watt Vox Top Boost-a-like - and they're a little picky about what drive pedals they play nicely with.  I had a Matchless Lightning 15 which liked the following (and this applies to any Top Boost style amp from Vox, Matchless, Bad Cat, Morgan, Top Hat etc. etc.):

    Clean to mild clipping:  Klon (or clone of).
    Moderate to overdrive:  Hot Cake or Sweet Honey OD
    Overdrive to high gain:  Rat (and go for the 'You Dirty Rat' with the germanium dioides - it's just better in every way)
    High gain to Soldano melt your face off:  Buy a new amp.
    I dont think rats or klons are great. Plus not all Vox style amps are like a top boost, just look at the diffs between the Lightning, Spitfire and Nighthawk in 15 watts. Totally different vibe to a vintage Ef86 AC15 or AC30 which have smaller OTs and less filtering in the power stage. 
    To be fair, I DID say too boost style amps and not Vox style!  ;-) 

    The Klon only really works as a boost to mild clipping IMHO, I really don't get the hype for it as a overdrive pedal - I actually find it pretty bland, but for adding a hint of grit without moving away from the core amp tone, they work well.

    The filter control on the Rat helps control the top end, of which the top-boost topology has plenty.  The You Dirty Rat is actually much smoother, and works with the brightness of the top boost Vox-a-likes.

    I ran Matchless amps (a small box Lightning and a DC30) for something like 10-15 years with good results with the above, and they work just as well with Vox AC30 TB's (of which I have two from the 60's).

    Of course, as @pmg said - you don't really need a drive pedal if you use the volume knob on your guitar and modulate your picking strength.
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  • pmgpmg Frets: 217
    Dodge said:
    Dodge said:
    Thanks for all the info guys. Still seems to be a bit of a grey area around gigging volumes though?

    Last night we threw together a gig in a wee pub and we weren’t mic’d up. I had my 100 watt Marshall running with MV at around 10 o’clock and that was just audible for me. Solo boosts were no hassle though.

    How does the Cub take pedals? I’d need to run a Thorpy Veteran into it at the very least
    I don't know what a Thorpy Veteran is, but the Cub is basically a 15 watt Vox Top Boost-a-like - and they're a little picky about what drive pedals they play nicely with.  I had a Matchless Lightning 15 which liked the following (and this applies to any Top Boost style amp from Vox, Matchless, Bad Cat, Morgan, Top Hat etc. etc.):

    Clean to mild clipping:  Klon (or clone of).
    Moderate to overdrive:  Hot Cake or Sweet Honey OD
    Overdrive to high gain:  Rat (and go for the 'You Dirty Rat' with the germanium dioides - it's just better in every way)
    High gain to Soldano melt your face off:  Buy a new amp.
    I dont think rats or klons are great. Plus not all Vox style amps are like a top boost, just look at the diffs between the Lightning, Spitfire and Nighthawk in 15 watts. Totally different vibe to a vintage Ef86 AC15 or AC30 which have smaller OTs and less filtering in the power stage. 
    To be fair, I DID say too boost style amps and not Vox style!  ;-) 

    The Klon only really works as a boost to mild clipping IMHO, I really don't get the hype for it as a overdrive pedal - I actually find it pretty bland, but for adding a hint of grit without moving away from the core amp tone, they work well.

    The filter control on the Rat helps control the top end, of which the top-boost topology has plenty.  The You Dirty Rat is actually much smoother, and works with the brightness of the top boost Vox-a-likes.

    I ran Matchless amps (a small box Lightning and a DC30) for something like 10-15 years with good results with the above, and they work just as well with Vox AC30 TB's (of which I have two from the 60's).

    Of course, as @pmg said - you don't really need a drive pedal if you use the volume knob on your guitar and modulate your picking strength.
    I think we might have similar tastes ;

    i have had had success with a YDR into a matchless or Badcat using a Ric or SG.  Great fun, as is an ocd.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 9436
    +1 on the YDR with my Cub. I also like a Tubescreamer (well, Surfing Bear and Selah Feather TS-alikes), and Anarchy Gold Class, which is more like a blackface-preamp sounding thing than a full OD.

    Klons are a bit more tricky. I like the Archer with mine but the Ryra doesn't quite click for me.
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 953
    Just found this thread. Interesting reading as I've recently bought a Black Cat 30r head. Amazing amp. It isn't a K master one though it's a 2014 model which is just before Badcat started shipping the K masters. I don't think I'd miss it though as the master volume is fine for me. Great that I can take it out of the circuit if I wish to too :)
    Link to my trading feedback:  http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/59452/
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  • StuartMac290StuartMac290 Frets: 617
    Just found this thread. Interesting reading as I've recently bought a Black Cat 30r head. Amazing amp. It isn't a K master one though it's a 2014 model which is just before Badcat started shipping the K masters. I don't think I'd miss it though as the master volume is fine for me. Great that I can take it out of the circuit if I wish to too :)
    That's the best version of the modern Black Cat 30s, congrats!

    If you're ever selling etc etc
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 953
    Just found this thread. Interesting reading as I've recently bought a Black Cat 30r head. Amazing amp. It isn't a K master one though it's a 2014 model which is just before Badcat started shipping the K masters. I don't think I'd miss it though as the master volume is fine for me. Great that I can take it out of the circuit if I wish to too :)
    That's the best version of the modern Black Cat 30s, congrats!

    If you're ever selling etc etc
    I'll bear you in mind @StuartMac290 but I don't think it'll be anytime soon 
    Link to my trading feedback:  http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/59452/
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  • miserneilmiserneil Frets: 5111
    Just found this thread. Interesting reading as I've recently bought a Black Cat 30r head. Amazing amp. It isn't a K master one though it's a 2014 model which is just before Badcat started shipping the K masters. I don't think I'd miss it though as the master volume is fine for me. Great that I can take it out of the circuit if I wish to too :)
    That's the best version of the modern Black Cat 30s, congrats!

    If you're ever selling etc etc
    There's a Black Cat 30 head and cab appeared today on Northwest Guitar/Amp Exchange on Facebook.....I was going to tag @hotpickups actually and suggest a stereo rig ;)
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 953
    edited October 9
    miserneil said:
    Just found this thread. Interesting reading as I've recently bought a Black Cat 30r head. Amazing amp. It isn't a K master one though it's a 2014 model which is just before Badcat started shipping the K masters. I don't think I'd miss it though as the master volume is fine for me. Great that I can take it out of the circuit if I wish to too
    That's the best version of the modern Black Cat 30s, congrats!

    If you're ever selling etc etc
    There's a Black Cat 30 head and cab appeared today on Northwest Guitar/Amp Exchange on Facebook.....I was going to tag @hotpickups actually and suggest a stereo rig
    lol don't you dare @miserneil ;;

    EDIT: Too late you've made me look ;) I got mine a good price by the looks of that rig on sale there. Lovely but no I'm not buying another LOL
    Link to my trading feedback:  http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/59452/
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  • smudge_ladsmudge_lad Frets: 144
    I ended up not going for the 15 watt and opting instead for a vgc used Cub 40r Player Series combo. It was more affordable, and the likelihood of having a chance to play a hand-wired version, never mind hear any difference, is next to none. Therefore, this was a much better option all round for me.

    I haven’t been disappointed. It’s a stunning, stunning amp! 
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