Fender Tweed Champ or Fender Princeton 68

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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8792
    @munckee if you're handy with simple mods you can buy either and turn it easily into the other one. The 65 RI and 68 Custom Princetons have no fundamental circuit differences, just a handful of component value changes, unlike the bigger amps in the range. 

    Tbh the difference in how early they break up is overstated generally, there's really not much in it and tonally they differ subtly, not much more than a speaker change would. 
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1792
    edited July 1
    Thanks @p90fool I can solder pickups etc, I'm wary of touching insides of amps because I am allergic to massive electric shocks. I have watched a few videos which say the 68 is much louder which won't be what I want but I suppose a speaker change could help there.

    As mentioned on another thread missus munckee out today so I have played the champ at full volume and it did not disturb my son in another room or my neoghbours.  Makes me more confident that a Priceton might be fine for my take on home volume. 

    Plus Im happy to use tubescreamer, I like the idea of bigger speaker, fender reverb and tremolo.

    I do however hate this place I would never have considered a 12 watt amp for home if I wasn't on here : )

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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8792
    Haha I know, but the Princeton really is a lovely thing. Whatever your natural style or that of your band, you can just lose yourself noodling away without any idea where the time went!
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  • kt66kt66 Frets: 181
    I had a similar quandry a couple of years ago, found out I much prefer the sound of older Fender amps, ended up with 77 Silverface Vibro Champ for half the price of a new Princeton, it's not my only amp, just used for home, where it does the job perfectly.  Plus it'll hold it's value and more 
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  • BluesyDaveBluesyDave Frets: 303
    kt66 said:
    I had a similar quandry a couple of years ago, found out I much prefer the sound of older Fender amps, ended up with 77 Silverface Vibro Champ for half the price of a new Princeton, it's not my only amp, just used for home, where it does the job perfectly.  Plus it'll hold it's value and more 
    Vibro Champ is a great amp for home or studio.  I really miss my old one.  Shouldn't have sold it.
    No Darling....I've had that ages.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1792
    Right I've splurged £650 on a princeton 68 custom as a direct result of this thread so if you boys want to start the whip round that would be great : ) @ICBM is right its perfectly useable at home I can get to 3 on input 1 or 4 on input 2 no bother even in the evening.  the tremolo is by far the best bit for me and it sounds great with pedals, I even tried it with my utterly cack arion plastic distortion pedal from 1834 which sounded nice with the guitar volume rounded down a little.

    I saw a video of the deluxe 68 where they swapped the celestion out for the jensen thats in the 65 and it made the clean a bit more like the 65 so I may try that.  As someone else mentioned it is bassy I have bass on 1.

    Plus its actually beautful to look at!

    https://i.imgur.com/nOrDTKe.jpg
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2489
    Any opinions for or against these?


    I had a Princeton Recording Amp for several years. I loved it; for home use and recording it was fabulous. I've never found another amp with such a beautiful glassy clean sound (I'm no expert on amps though).

    They got a bit of a bad rep, mainly due to the attenuator which was prone to crapping out if the amp was driven hard (though it's something I never experienced in all the time I owned it). Another problem with the attenuator is the large control knob stands out from the fascia and was prone to getting knocked which could damage the internal workings - def not a gigging amp imo. My amp tech told me that the attenuator was a type of circuit more usually found in hi-fi kit but it worked well for me, letting me drive the amp at 4-5 on the volume control at home play levels.

    The onboard effects are a bit meh. I. didn't like the overdrive much but in a pinch it was quite sufficient to do the job. The compressor was a crazy thing; I've never found another comp that can level and squeeze your sound as much as this one but used judiciously it's a perfectly useable comp.

    If I could find another at a sensible price I'd love to have one again. I lucked into mine on an eBay auction for 350 approx but I've seen people asking double that for them. They're heavy, 48lbs iirc which was a deciding factor in moving mine on eventually.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3863
    munckee said:

    I saw a video of the deluxe 68 where they swapped the celestion out for the jensen thats in the 65 and it made the clean a bit more like the 65 so I may try that.  As someone else mentioned it is bassy I have bass on 1.

    I've put a WGS Veteran in mine.  Definite improvement for me.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1792
    crunchman said:
    munckee said:

    I saw a video of the deluxe 68 where they swapped the celestion out for the jensen thats in the 65 and it made the clean a bit more like the 65 so I may try that.  As someone else mentioned it is bassy I have bass on 1.

    I've put a WGS Veteran in mine.  Definite improvement for me.
    What sort of improvement did you get? I don't need any volume or headroom, wouldn't much a touch less volume and cleaner clean.  
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3863
    munckee said:
    crunchman said:
    munckee said:

    I saw a video of the deluxe 68 where they swapped the celestion out for the jensen thats in the 65 and it made the clean a bit more like the 65 so I may try that.  As someone else mentioned it is bassy I have bass on 1.

    I've put a WGS Veteran in mine.  Definite improvement for me.
    What sort of improvement did you get? I don't need any volume or headroom, wouldn't much a touch less volume and cleaner clean.  


    It is more of a traditional Fender type speaker, so it doesn't have the mid range mud of the Celestion.  I think it's WGS's take on the classic 10" speaker that was originally in things like 60's Princetons.  It's possibly a bit less ratty in the low end than some of the Jensens.

    http://www.lean-business.co.uk/eshop/wgs-g10-veteran-20w-10-guitar-speaker-8ohm-p-1939.html

    The Jensen is a good speaker as well, and is a bit cheaper (looks to be around £37).  Either of them will be an improvement over the Celestion.

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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1792
    Thanks @crunchman I did consider putting a jensen alnico in as I assume more expensive and alnico = better but @mtb told me at woking he had gone back to ceramic in his tweed because it sounded better.

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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3863

    Alnico is nice.  I do like the sound, but for some things I think ceramic is better.  It does depend which Alnico as well.  If you don't need huge power handling then the Celestion Blue is the best guitar speaker there is, but that's a 12".

    A P12R wouldn't break the bank if you did want to try Alnico.

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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3863
    @munckee - resurrecting this again.  There is a Weber 10F150 in the classifieds.  That is likely to be very good:


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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1792
    Thanks @crunchman having spent some serious time playing it over the weekend I'm going to stick with the celestion for a bit, the more I play the princeton the more I like it as it is.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8792
    When I sold my 68 Custom to my bandmate I put the original Celestion back in, I'd only put a few hours on it before changing it for an Eminence.

    After a handful of gigs it started sounding awesome and I wish I'd never sold it to him or messed around with speakers to start with!
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3863

    It depends what you want.  I wanted something a bit more in the classic Fender style.  The WGS is a definite improvement on the Celestion for me.  I got the amp second hand, so I don't know how well broken in the stock speaker was.  I suspect it was mostly home use before I got it, but I didn't change it immediately.

    For me, the WGS is more detailed, and it's like taking a blanket off the amp.  I've not had a Weber 10", but I had a Weber 12F150 in a Hot Rod Deluxe several years ago, and it was superb.  I suspect it may even be better than the WGS, but it's not worth me changing mine out.  If that ad had been there just after I bought my Princeton, I would have been on it like a shot.

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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1792
    I do like the idea of more classic fender style but like it the way it is too.  Plus the weber is a 50 watt and my rudimentary understanding is putting in a bigger speaker will provide more headroom which is the last thing I want.
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