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  • SchnozzSchnozz Frets: 499
    If you go to the lengths steel panther have gone to be funny, it's no longer funny and kind of tragic. The lead singer actually has plastic surgery - is that part of the parody? 

    Nah, they're shit.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 12903
    underdog said:
    It's really sad, it's 2018, not 1918 and people still can't spot a piss take. Surely the entirety of Steele Panther is one big joke at the expense of hair metal, this is like banning Ali G for promoting gang violence.
    You could have the same joke without any casual sexism though. So why include it?

    As you say, it's 2018, not 1918, so perhaps women should be treated as equals, not as a basis for crude humour. 
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5409
    Sporky said:
    underdog said:
    It's really sad, it's 2018, not 1918 and people still can't spot a piss take. Surely the entirety of Steele Panther is one big joke at the expense of hair metal, this is like banning Ali G for promoting gang violence.
    You could have the same joke without any casual sexism though. So why include it?

    As you say, it's 2018, not 1918, so perhaps women should be treated as equals, not as a basis for crude humour. 

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 8360
    Wah wah wah.
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  • LuttiSLuttiS Frets: 726
    WezV said:
    Wah wah wah.
    Kirk?
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3403
    Gassage said:
    Seriously? She should get a fucking life. So should the gays that moan about someone calling something gay as a mild term of semi endeared piss taking.

    and that’s from me, a master of blowing the pink fucking oboe.
      A " Master " ? .....How's that for self appraisal ..........perhaps the Pink Oboes that have been blown were just telling you nice things so as not to hurt your feelings !
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 12903
    edited July 11
    underdog said:

    The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.
    It just seems distasteful to me; aren't jokes meant to be funny?

    Also not sure why you'd want to make this be about me. Can we not discuss this for what it is without any comments on each other? 
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5409
    edited July 11
    Sporky said:
    underdog said:

    The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.
    I'm not sure I'm that intelligent. It just seems distasteful to me; aren't jokes meant to be funny? 

    Trouble is humour is subjective much like music, but I don't think something not being to your tastes is reason to outlaw something.

    The joke here is quite obvious that the hair metal bands of the 80s sung about women usually in derogatory ways, and considered themselves love gods of the highest order. The band and everything they do is basically and exaggeration of that, that is the joke. 

    I don't believe for a second that they think that way, it's an act, if acting was real I'd insist on Tom Hanks being my pilot and I'd always ask the plain Tom boy with glasses to prom because she's going to take her hair out, stick on a dress, remove the glasses and become the hottest girl you've ever seen.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    underdog said:
    Sporky said:
    underdog said:

    The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.
    I'm not sure I'm that intelligent. It just seems distasteful to me; aren't jokes meant to be funny? 

    Trouble is humour is subjective much like music, but I don't think something not being to your tastes is reason to outlaw something.

    The joke here is quite obvious that the hair metal bands of the 80s sung about women usually in derogatory ways, and considered themselves love gods of the highest order. The band and everything they do is basically and exaggeration of that, that is the joke. 

    I don't believe for a second that they think that way, it's an act, if acting was real I'd insist on Tom Hanks being my pilot and I'd always ask the plain Tom boy with glasses to prom because she's going to take her hair out, stick on a dress, remove the glasses and become the hottest girl you've ever seen.
    I think @Sporky ‘s point is that the text they use only serves to promulgate the stereotype and although it’s a joke, it does add an air of respectability to the hair metal attitude to women.

    I can see both sides - clearly it’s a joke. But, there isn’t anything in that text that really ridicules that old view of women. 

    I dunno. They could have done a much better job. As it is it just comes across as being a bit crass and cheap.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 2945
    Bridgehouse said:
    it just comes across as being a bit crass and cheap.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15748
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.
    Like I said, I can see what they were trying to do, but the execution was poor and the result comes across as cheap and crass.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563

    Bridgehouse said:
    it just comes across as being a bit crass and cheap.
    tc electronic Behringer.
    Nah. BDI21 is cheap but not crass...
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5409
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.

    I just had my wife read it, she thought the ad was quite funny. 

    I don't see how getting the joke makes me a dinosaur? Surely, me thinking that women are sex objects and should be in the bed room or the kitchen would make mean that, not me getting a joke that is taking the piss out of men.

    Everyone wants to be offended by everything and often on other people's behalf these days.

    My wife is the main earner in my house, she is also my boss in work, I also am the main parent, so in no way shape or form do I have views that women have a certain role in life. I can just appreciate well done satire.

     
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    underdog said:
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.

    I just had my wife read it, she thought the ad was quite funny. 

    I don't see how getting the joke makes me a dinosaur? Surely, me thinking that women are sex objects and should be in the bed room or the kitchen would make mean that, not me getting a joke that is taking the piss out of men.

    Everyone wants to be offended by everything and often on other people's behalf these days.

    My wife is the main earner in my house, she is also my boss in work, I also am the main parent, so in no way shape or form do I have views that women have a certain role in life. I can just appreciate well done satire.

     
    You’re making too much of that - Personally I just didn’t think it was that funny - not in a mansplaining “I feel offended for you” just in a Tim Vine one liner not very funny way.
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5409
    edited July 11
    underdog said:
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.

    I just had my wife read it, she thought the ad was quite funny. 

    I don't see how getting the joke makes me a dinosaur? Surely, me thinking that women are sex objects and should be in the bed room or the kitchen would make mean that, not me getting a joke that is taking the piss out of men.

    Everyone wants to be offended by everything and often on other people's behalf these days.

    My wife is the main earner in my house, she is also my boss in work, I also am the main parent, so in no way shape or form do I have views that women have a certain role in life. I can just appreciate well done satire.

     
    You’re making too much of that - Personally I just didn’t think it was that funny - not in a mansplaining “I feel offended for you” just in a Tim Vine one liner not very funny way.

    It was a general response to the " it's disgusting comments", not finding it funny is fine, a Twitter campaign to stop it seems effing mental.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15748
    underdog said:
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.

    I just had my wife read it, she thought the ad was quite funny. 

    I don't see how getting the joke makes me a dinosaur? Surely, me thinking that women are sex objects and should be in the bed room or the kitchen would make mean that, not me getting a joke that is taking the piss out of men.

    Everyone wants to be offended by everything and often on other people's behalf these days.

    My wife is the main earner in my house, she is also my boss in work, I also am the main parent, so in no way shape or form do I have views that women have a certain role in life. I can just appreciate well done satire.

     
    You've just proved my point as you don't get why there are women complaining. Obvious TC decided that on reflection it was poor taste and pulled it.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    @underdog - like I said, I can see both sides. I felt a bit uneasy reading it - not because I was offended, or felt offence for anyone else, but because I kinda thought “what were they thinking? That’s not funny - it’s poorly written and it’s asking for trouble”

    If it had been Frankie Boyle laugh out loud outrageous then I’d probably have laughed and then sucked in though my teeth but I’d have understood why they took the risk. 

    As it is, it feels like they were inviting trouble but haven’t got the benefit of something genuinely funny. It’s amateur and poorly thought out at best.
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5409
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.

    I just had my wife read it, she thought the ad was quite funny. 

    I don't see how getting the joke makes me a dinosaur? Surely, me thinking that women are sex objects and should be in the bed room or the kitchen would make mean that, not me getting a joke that is taking the piss out of men.

    Everyone wants to be offended by everything and often on other people's behalf these days.

    My wife is the main earner in my house, she is also my boss in work, I also am the main parent, so in no way shape or form do I have views that women have a certain role in life. I can just appreciate well done satire.

     
    You've just proved my point as you don't get why there are women complaining. Obvious TC decided that on reflection it was poor taste and pulled it.

    I do get why women have complained, it's because they think it's serious, they missed the joke. If TC had any sense they'd have grabbed the headlines by releasing another patch as an alternative and named it something equally "offensive" towards men, then they could claim equality. 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    @underdog - I don’t think that’s right. The offence will come from the fact that the way they have written it just makes it sound like those hair metal lead guitarists were proper heroes for “making women wet” - if it’s a joke then they should have thought of a way of weaving in the clear idea that they were actually sad at best and wankers at worst. 

    Like I said earlier - the joke is about lead guitarists attitudes. They missed the point and it sounded crass, poorly written and cheap. 

    They wanted to put over the idea that the pedal could make you sound just like those searing lead sounds hair metal guitarists wanted to “make women wet”. 

    Totally missed the point and just made it sound like they were saying “this pedal will actually make women wet”

    Poor. 
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15748
    underdog said:
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:
    Fretwired said:
    underdog said:

    Because the joke isn't on women in this instance? The joke is aimed at men, they are the but of the joke, the guitarist himself is the joke. I know you're too intelligent to not know that so not sure why I'm explaining it.

    Seems like being angry for the sake of it.
    But here's a woman (and she has a lot of support) who doesn't see it that way. Does her view count for nothing? I wonder if Nita Strauss who is a high-profile female guitarist who plays for Alice Cooper finds it funny. There seem to be a lot of dinosaurs on this forum judging by the lols I got for saying I thought it distasteful.

    I just had my wife read it, she thought the ad was quite funny. 

    I don't see how getting the joke makes me a dinosaur? Surely, me thinking that women are sex objects and should be in the bed room or the kitchen would make mean that, not me getting a joke that is taking the piss out of men.

    Everyone wants to be offended by everything and often on other people's behalf these days.

    My wife is the main earner in my house, she is also my boss in work, I also am the main parent, so in no way shape or form do I have views that women have a certain role in life. I can just appreciate well done satire.

     
    You've just proved my point as you don't get why there are women complaining. Obvious TC decided that on reflection it was poor taste and pulled it.

    I do get why women have complained, it's because they think it's serious, they missed the joke. If TC had any sense they'd have grabbed the headlines by releasing another patch as an alternative and named it something equally "offensive" towards men, then they could claim equality. 
    It doesn't work like that ... I don't think they missed the joke. To them there wasn't a joke to be missed. Companies like TC should be encouraging girls to play the guitar .. sexist humour has no place with a company like TC selling products.


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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    Fretwired said:
    It doesn't work like that ... I don't think they missed the joke. To them there wasn't a joke to be missed. Companies like TC should be encouraging girls to play the guitar .. sexist humour has no place with a company like TC selling products.


    To be honest these guys are professionals and someone has been paid to write that and market the product - someone did a shit job. 

    I showed it to Mrs B - she said “I don’t get it - is it meant to be funny? It’s just shit”
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  • Every fucker wants / needs to have something to be up in arms about these days! 

    Let them have at it and then get on with it! 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    Every fucker wants / needs to have something to be up in arms about these days! 

    Let them have at it and then get on with it! 
    I’m not up in arms. I just think it was a piss poor effort. My trip advisor report would read “piss poor. That is all”
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  • VibetronicVibetronic Frets: 254
    Glad it got removed; guitar playing is far too male-orientated, but thankfully becoming a bit less so nowadays...stuff like this is just a bit embarrassing really. 
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  • FortheloveofguitarFortheloveofguitar Frets: 2480
    edited July 12
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  • Every fucker wants / needs to have something to be up in arms about these days! 

    Let them have at it and then get on with it! 
    I’m not up in arms. I just think it was a piss poor effort. My trip advisor report would read “piss poor. That is all”
    Apologies! It certainly wasn't aimed at anyone in particular! Purely a general observation.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    Every fucker wants / needs to have something to be up in arms about these days! 

    Let them have at it and then get on with it! 
    I’m not up in arms. I just think it was a piss poor effort. My trip advisor report would read “piss poor. That is all”
    Apologies! It certainly wasn't aimed at anyone in particular! Purely a general observation.
    It’s just the extremes of reactions I find odd. It’s either “that’s outrageous” or “stop being outraged”

    Thing is, it was poorly thought out and a bad decision on their part to do it. @Sporky called it out as in poor taste. It’s not outrage, it’s just more “really? Sigh.”
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 2945
    These days, everyone paints themselves as a victim. Perhaps, they are hoping to receive monetary compensation for every small thing in life that distresses them for a few seconds?

    If this country ever gets involved in another major war, we are going to crumble as soon as the hair gel supply runs out.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    edited July 11
    These days, everyone paints themselves as a victim. 
    What are you a victim of? 
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