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customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
edited August 19 in Made in the UK
Hi well I've finally roped in the help of stuart aka poopot to start sorting out a website, it needs more content and pics plus gallery etc, feel free to comment on the format etc

I'll update builds and stuff of interest when i can 

Many thanks 

http://www.danielsguitars.co.uk/
www.danielsguitars.co.uk
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    2 of my recent ones for Marc at mojo pickups

       
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 3016
    Nice ageing! Tele looks particularly good.
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    Nice ageing! Tele looks particularly good.
    Thanks but it was the goldtop that really did it for us, particularly marcs special neck pick up, the ageing on the goldtop came out fantastic imo and comparing to a 54 i have access to was a bit ott, checking was spot on, i really liked that one so much that I'm making another with real 56 p90's and vintage bigsby 
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  • tsj93tsj93 Frets: 6
    Excellent work Darren. Everyone should look at mojos instagram, the pics he has of the goldtop on there really show the detail and checking, its unbelievable 
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  • GagarynGagaryn Frets: 1437
    Without being too boring, you need to do something with the contact page. Always helps to put your full postal address. And if using that contact form you need to make it GDPR compliant - lots of free advice on this available online.
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    Gagaryn said:
    Without being too boring, you need to do something with the contact page. Always helps to put your full postal address. And if using that contact form you need to make it GDPR compliant - lots of free advice on this available online.
    Thanks no idea what GDPR is hopefully stuart knows I'm clueless 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15892
    Gagaryn said:
    Without being too boring, you need to do something with the contact page. Always helps to put your full postal address. And if using that contact form you need to make it GDPR compliant - lots of free advice on this available online.
    Thanks no idea what GDPR is hopefully stuart knows I'm clueless 
    Data protection on speed
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1868
    Gagaryn said:
    Without being too boring, you need to do something with the contact page. Always helps to put your full postal address. And if using that contact form you need to make it GDPR compliant - lots of free advice on this available online.
    Thanks no idea what GDPR is hopefully stuart knows I'm clueless 
    Not knowing = very bad, todays homework learn about GDPR, potential fine for breaching whether you know or not 4% of revenue I believe!

    "You should review your current privacy notices.  Under the
    GDPR there are some additional things you will have to tell people. For
    example, you will need to explain your lawful basis for processing the
    data, your data retention periods and that individuals have a right to
    complain to the ICO if they think there is a problem with the way you are
    handling their data. The GDPR requires the information to be provided in
    concise, easy to understand and clear language."

    PS The goldtop makes me salivate....
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  • StrangefanStrangefan Frets: 2839
    It's starting to look good but theirs no "current builds" or completed guitar pages it just looked like you have a picture of a Les paul and a tele, and nothing you have made, if people are going to want to pay for your service there needs to be lots of evidence that what you do is amazing and worth the investment  at the mo the website does not show this, 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1403
    Have to jump in here.

    The site is nowhere near finished tbh!...
    Not even started if I’m honest!... 

    Galleries will be added in due course, lots of info to come along with video and case studies of builds...

    gdpr requires only that a person using a contact form give consent for you to contact them. This can be by way of a little check box or just the fact that they instigated the contact in the first place.

    I have been through the gdpr nonsense till my eyes bled with my own business... a lot of pomp and fluff... 

    darren, I’ll just put up a holding page till you are ready to launch fully!...
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  • earwighoneyearwighoney Frets: 1654
    Gagaryn said:
    Without being too boring, you need to do something with the contact page. Always helps to put your full postal address. 
    This could have some advantages but considering there has a very significant theft of property from a guitar maker recently (who is a member of this forum) and I myself would be reluctant to openly advertise the location of my workshop if I was a guitar maker but I think a more general location could be a good thing. 

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    Good to see you have a page up up @customkits ;

    In the bottom left hand corner of the website, where the link for Facebook I think you could also put up the link for your Instagram page and Youtube if you have one and an another page maybe you could have other links for your guitars be it Instagram links or Youtube videos (eg Mike's ones) 
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    I'll get me coat

    Tbh i know nothing about websites but if i wanted to I'd learn but i don't so I'm leaving this to stuart and I'll get it up when we're finished 

    No i do not want my workshop address on show, i will gladly talk via emails and phone and arrange visits as necessary for prospective customers 
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  • GagarynGagaryn Frets: 1437
    I'll get me coat

    Tbh i know nothing about websites but if i wanted to I'd learn but i don't so I'm leaving this to stuart and I'll get it up when we're finished 

    No i do not want my workshop address on show, i will gladly talk via emails and phone and arrange visits as necessary for prospective customers 
    I think Company websites legally need a geographic address. Personally I would be very wary of using any website that didn't have one.

    Edit - found this, a few years old though... https://www.out-law.com/page-431

    Minimum information to be provided

    Service providers, whether involved in e-commerce or not, should provide the following minimum information, which must be easily, directly and permanently accessible:

    • the name of the service provider must be given somewhere easily accessible on the site. This might differ from the trading name and any such difference should be explained – e.g. "XYZ.com is the trading name of XYZ Enterprises Limited";
    • the geographic address of the service provider must be given; 
    • the details of the service provider including his or her email address, so long as it allows rapid contact and direct and effective communication. The CJEU in Bundesverband v Deutsche Internet Versicherung (2008) confirmed that in order to be able to respond to consumers promptly, a company may need to provide other methods of communication beyond its postal and email address. A 'contact us' form without also providing an email address in not sufficient;  
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1403
    edited August 20
    Ok,

    Darren’s site is and will be, when it’s finished, nothing more than a “portfolio” of his builds with a facility for anyone to contact him should they need or want to...

    He is not a “company” as such, he is not offering items for sale and he won’t have a web shop or ecommerce back end...

    gdpr is satisfied by including bith a balid email email address and a box to click to give consent before the contact form will send...

    TBH he doesn’t have to put a physical address anywhere on his site... and tbh why would he want to?

    if in the future he decides to sell his guitars online, or post a list of his prices (if he has any) or offer any “service” to the general public... he would have to comply with the correct consumer laws where applicable...

    but... as it stands... it will be nothing more than a website showing his portfolio... absolutely no different to the millions of artists, photographers and creative artisans around the world...


    Edit***** no different to putting a “build thread” on here!...
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2019
    If there is a “contact us” form or a way of contacting the website via email you need a privacy policy to comply with GDPR. 
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  • Lonestar is absolutely right. If you are collecting personal data about EU citizens then the GDPR applies to you.

    Some commentatora suggest that GDPR doesn’t apply to small businesses, however, as with most commentaries on the subject this is based on mos-information.

    Whilst small all businesses (less than 250 employees) are exempt from the record keeping requirement of GDPR they are not exempt from the reat of the provisions. The requirement for a privacy policy when dealing with the public and ensuring that you advise them of the correct lawful basis of processing is paramount to avoid a breach.

    the earlier post about needing to include your name, address, telephone number, and email address are related to e-commerce regulations and apply in addition to the GDPR. 
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    When's brexit happening lol


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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1403
    lonestar said:
    If there is a “contact us” form or a way of contacting the website via email you need a privacy policy to comply with GDPR. 
    Only if he is running a marketing list... which he isn’t... if he is sending out bulk mails telling everyone who has contacted him about his latest endeavours then yes, a clear and concise privacy policy is needed and has to be made available and people have to opt into the mailing list.

    For general “contact me” there is no requirement for a privacy statement.

    There are two ways to send Darren an email through his site.

    1) you click on a mailto link which opens your mail client and prepares a blank email for
    you to write and send - consent for Darren to contact you given

    2) you fill out the form, which is there for the instances when people don’t use a mail client (gmail, Hotmail etc)... the form won’t send unless you check the consent box - consent for Darren to contact you given.

    both methods comply with gdpr...

    If he then starts sending out bulk mails announcing this, that and the other he is in breach of gdpr... but gdpr allows for “reasonable contact” in the first instance....



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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9122
    how very silly.

    Its a craftsman showing his work.   It's no different to having an instagram page, except with that you have instant permission to spam all your followers to your hearts content

    Must get mine sorted again at some point... currently borked
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1403
    Just to end the gdpr argument.

    To fall within the remit of the GDPR, the processing has to be part of an “enterprise”. Article 4(18) of the Regulation defines this as any legal entity that’s engaged in economic activity”

    Darren’s website is nothing more than a portfolio showing his builds... 
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    Blimey this is turning out to be fun, no wonder i haven't bothered before

    Maybe everyone can wait until Stuarts got the finished site done now 
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  • Back on topic...that gold top looks stunning

    GDPR has confused a lot of webmasters since it came into effect, and the reality is,  very little has changed anyway. 

    I wouldn’t worry about it...looking forward to seeing the completed website. 
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  • poopot said:
    lonestar said:
    If there is a “contact us” form or a way of contacting the website via email you need a privacy policy to comply with GDPR. 
    Only if he is running a marketing list... which he isn’t... if he is sending out bulk mails telling everyone who has contacted him about his latest endeavours then yes, a clear and concise privacy policy is needed and has to be made available and people have to opt into the mailing list.

    For general “contact me” there is no requirement for a privacy statement.

    There are two ways to send Darren an email through his site.

    1) you click on a mailto link which opens your mail client and prepares a blank email for
    you to write and send - consent for Darren to contact you given

    2) you fill out the form, which is there for the instances when people don’t use a mail client (gmail, Hotmail etc)... the form won’t send unless you check the consent box - consent for Darren to contact you given.

    both methods comply with gdpr...

    If he then starts sending out bulk mails announcing this, that and the other he is in breach of gdpr... but gdpr allows for “reasonable contact” in the first instance....



    I’m sorry but this is not correct. The presence of a marketing list is irrelevant. If you collect data including the contact addresses of living people as part of your business then GDPR applies. 

    If if you are storing emails in the course of your business, GDPR applies. It applies even if all you are doing is show casing your work, if that work is for sale then it’s a business. If you’re show casing it for the purpose of generating orders or commissions then it’s a business and GDPR applies. 

    Simple answer is get a privacy policy. Or don’t, but be prepared to be in breach. 
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  • My final comment. Consent isn’t strictly necessary for direct marketing activities. This is another mis-conception. 

    You can can rely on legitimate interest for direct marketing so long as the data subject is given the opportunity to opt out. 

    Anywho, simple enough to fix. 
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    What happens if someone says contact me via Facebook or Instagram then 
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  • What happens if someone says contact me via Facebook or Instagram then 
    Facebook/Instagram handle  the data. It’s their problem.
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2019
    What happens if someone says contact me via Facebook or Instagram then 
    I believe it is then the social media platforms job to have their own privacy policy for us. 

    It is they who have all the info in that case. Anyway, worth doing. If your livelihood depends on your business it’s surely not an inconvenience to sort it :) 

    Looking forward to seeing your work online, some cracking stuff so far :)
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 794
    lonestar said:
    What happens if someone says contact me via Facebook or Instagram then 
    I believe it is then the social media platforms job to have their own privacy policy for us. 

    It is they who have all the info in that case. Anyway, worth doing. If your livelihood depends on your business it’s surely not an inconvenience to sort it :) 

    Looking forward to seeing your work online, some cracking stuff so far :)
    It's funny all this, i thought a simple website was needed but it just turns into a whole load of hassle, all my stuff is on Facebook and Instagram already

    This site isn't selling anything just showcasing my builds and processes etc, if someone likes it they can get in touch if they want
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2019
    lonestar said:
    What happens if someone says contact me via Facebook or Instagram then 
    I believe it is then the social media platforms job to have their own privacy policy for us. 

    It is they who have all the info in that case. Anyway, worth doing. If your livelihood depends on your business it’s surely not an inconvenience to sort it :) 

    Looking forward to seeing your work online, some cracking stuff so far :)
    It's funny all this, i thought a simple website was needed but it just turns into a whole load of hassle, all my stuff is on Facebook and Instagram already

    This site isn't selling anything just showcasing my builds and processes etc, if someone likes it they can get in touch if they want
    No hassle at all mate. It’s just part of it. You’d be surprised how much traffic a website generates. I’ve never paid a penny to promote my site yet a large proportion of my sales come via the website :)
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 593
    I do think the warnings about GRPR here are overstated. You're not gathering user data in a database, generating user accounts or tracking users with cookies for advertising or personalisation
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