Another what car should I get thread. Now with added NCD.

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  • prowlaprowla Frets: 1134
    I've got a BMW 320 saloon - it's a nice car and I'll probably replace it like-for-like next year. I quite like the estate (sorry, "Touring"!) too.
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4471
    My other advice is:
    look at this site:

    https://broadspeed.com/

    take your shortlist, and see which brand and model is offering the best discounts

    Remember to check one or two models up in the range as well, sometimes they have massive discounts.
    I can remember a 730d being only £4k more than a 330d one year
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  • rlwrlw Frets: 1724
    Dominic said:
    The A4 is a great car ,well built and great engineering but whatever spec you get they are very much a drivers car from the suspension aspect...........a very firm ride , consequently great handling but most middle aged people find them very hard to the point of uncomfortable especially if you use a lot of potholed/non A road routes.
    Tha Allroad is no exception.
    They might have firm suspension but there’s few drivers cars in the Audi range as they all seem to steer like tankers.
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 832
    My other advice is:
    look at this site:

    https://broadspeed.com/

    take your shortlist, and see which brand and model is offering the best discounts

    Remember to check one or two models up in the range as well, sometimes they have massive discounts.
    I can remember a 730d being only £4k more than a 330d one year
    Same for 640d's. They were banging them out at sub 40K and they are a hell of a lot more car than a 3 series. Big though. 
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    edited November 5
    Pretty sure I can’t get anything brand new on my list for £25k ? I know bigger cars get knocked down a lot, we got our XF for £14k off the list price when it was five months old with only 3k miles on it. They do have downsides though. We really want something a bit smaller because it’s a struggle getting into parking spaces with a bigger car.  I’m pissed off with people slamming their doors into our car because the spaces are so tight. 
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4471
    boogieman said:
    Pretty sure I can’t get anything brand new on my list for £25k ? I know bigger cars get knocked down a lot, we got our XF for £14k off the list price when it was five months old with only 3k miles on it. They do have downsides though. We really want something a bit smaller because it’s a struggle getting into parking spaces with a bigger car.  I’m pissed off with people slamming their doors into our car because the spaces are so tight. 
    my point was different to that:
    some manufacturers subsidise certain models at different points in the car model lifecycle
    With the BMW 7 series, as far as I can tell, they have large market share in China and the middle east, and in Europe, and want to challenge the Merc S class. Consequently, buying a new 7 series was possible below used prices, in fact the car  was still worth the price paid after 2 or 3 years
    This is how the maker can preserve the RRP and the residual value but still offer a discount

    Just wade through that site and see if any cars catch your eye

    Cameras and such can help with parking
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    boogieman said:
    Pretty sure I can’t get anything brand new on my list for £25k ? I know bigger cars get knocked down a lot, we got our XF for £14k off the list price when it was five months old with only 3k miles on it. They do have downsides though. We really want something a bit smaller because it’s a struggle getting into parking spaces with a bigger car.  I’m pissed off with people slamming their doors into our car because the spaces are so tight. 
    my point was different to that:
    some manufacturers subsidise certain models at different points in the car model lifecycle
    With the BMW 7 series, as far as I can tell, they have large market share in China and the middle east, and in Europe, and want to challenge the Merc S class. Consequently, buying a new 7 series was possible below used prices, in fact the car  was still worth the price paid after 2 or 3 years
    This is how the maker can preserve the RRP and the residual value but still offer a discount

    Just wade through that site and see if any cars catch your eye

    Cameras and such can help with parking
    No I do get your point and I can see why manufacturers would subsidise certain models.

    We still don’t want a big car anymore though. Parking the thing isn’t really an issue in terms of physically getting it into a parking spot, we both manage that just fine with mirrors and rear sensors. It’s the size of parking slots that’s the issue, they’re just too small for bigger cars. Our current car is forever picking up marks and dings on the doors because people parking next to us don’t have enough room to open their doors properly (or don’t care more likely). 
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  • SnapSnap Frets: 2456

    All petrol estates - 3 series, c class, audi a4 - all good, the rest is personal choice.

    7k a year, diesel is pointless.

    Hybrids - false economy if you do any sort of motorway driving. Its all a myth (the economy argument) as a lot of the time you are lugging a heavy vehicle with a petrol engine. I really had convinced myself that my next car would be a hybrid until I looked into their useless motorway and real world MPG.

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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4471
    boogieman said:
    boogieman said:
    Pretty sure I can’t get anything brand new on my list for £25k ? I know bigger cars get knocked down a lot, we got our XF for £14k off the list price when it was five months old with only 3k miles on it. They do have downsides though. We really want something a bit smaller because it’s a struggle getting into parking spaces with a bigger car.  I’m pissed off with people slamming their doors into our car because the spaces are so tight. 
    my point was different to that:
    some manufacturers subsidise certain models at different points in the car model lifecycle
    With the BMW 7 series, as far as I can tell, they have large market share in China and the middle east, and in Europe, and want to challenge the Merc S class. Consequently, buying a new 7 series was possible below used prices, in fact the car  was still worth the price paid after 2 or 3 years
    This is how the maker can preserve the RRP and the residual value but still offer a discount

    Just wade through that site and see if any cars catch your eye

    Cameras and such can help with parking
    No I do get your point and I can see why manufacturers would subsidise certain models.

    We still don’t want a big car anymore though. Parking the thing isn’t really an issue in terms of physically getting it into a parking spot, we both manage that just fine with mirrors and rear sensors. It’s the size of parking slots that’s the issue, they’re just too small for bigger cars. Our current car is forever picking up marks and dings on the doors because people parking next to us don’t have enough room to open their doors properly (or don’t care more likely). 
    I was looking for a big car, so can only provide examples from that perspective, it's worth checking to see if any smaller ones have big hidden discounts, the site I sent shows the unadvertised secret discounts

    Having said that, I didn't see such large discounts for smaller cars when I looked a few years ago

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  • NelsonPNelsonP Frets: 763
    Not sure how they are doing it but the VW Golf is claiming a massive boot these days (>600 litres)

    Might be worth having a look at them? Golf R estate within range for your budget.
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 832
    edited November 5
    My wife got over 20% off her 3 series, the discounts should be better now as F31's are on the run out. Check out Coast2Coast or the BMW forums for an indication of what you can get. I would have thought 25K would get something new. BMW and Audi both routinely sell nearly new / ex demo cars for more than the new discounted price. 
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1261
    edited November 5
    Snap said:

    All petrol estates - 3 series, c class, audi a4 - all good, the rest is personal choice.

    7k a year, diesel is pointless.

    Hybrids - false economy if you do any sort of motorway driving. Its all a myth (the economy argument) as a lot of the time you are lugging a heavy vehicle with a petrol engine. I really had convinced myself that my next car would be a hybrid until I looked into their useless motorway and real world MPG.

    You're missing the point with the hybrid. The hybrid doesn't pay the congestion charge so if you drive in the congestion zone most weekdays you stand to save £2500 a year by going hybrid.  Even if you need to deal with 26mpg real world vs 44mpg on a pure petrol, you're still nearly £2k a year better off with the hybrid at 7k miles a year.

    If you're not in the congestion zone then I'd go for a Golf R estate every time. I've a Golf estate and it's got a huge boot even though the car is under 18 inches longer than a standard Golf, and the R is well equipped and very quick for being very reasonably priced.
    The nearest competitors for the same fun/practicality mix are all about £7k dearer (S4/C43). You could get a last generation V60 polestar but it's definitely showing its age
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  • StevepageStevepage Frets: 911
    rlw said:
    I'm glad some one suggested this. Although mine is a 2012 diesel, the space and practicality  is fantastic
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    I looked at the Mondeo. The fuel consumption on the petrol models looks pretty horrendous. 
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2363
    boogieman said:
    I looked at the Mondeo. The fuel consumption on the petrol models looks pretty horrendous. 

    Really like my Focus ST, but Ford petrol engines are not the best on Fuel.  Even the 1l we have is not great on fuel.
    The VAG engines are a step above, the 1.5 is supposed to be excellent and a useful 150bhp.
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  • rlwrlw Frets: 1724
    boogieman said:
    I looked at the Mondeo. The fuel consumption on the petrol models looks pretty horrendous. 
    Downsizing engines and upsizing cars does that.   Although all the numbers are bollocks.  It depends on how you drive to a large extent.  I could get 40 mpg out of a GT3 and over 30 from my CLK55AMG if I put my mind to it and regularly see 40+ from the Scirocco R.
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  • GuyRGuyR Frets: 403
    BMW 320d touring is v nice.  I'm surprised @ToneControl had difficulty fitting in. I'm 6'5" and 17st and was able to get a perfect driving position. The X3 I had until yesterday was great around town - the elevated view is useful and the 4wd means you always get home in the snow - load area ok too. Had a new 520d touring delivered yesterday. That is not a car for tight car parks. 
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    rlw said:
    boogieman said:
    I looked at the Mondeo. The fuel consumption on the petrol models looks pretty horrendous. 
    Downsizing engines and upsizing cars does that.   Although all the numbers are bollocks.  It depends on how you drive to a large extent.  I could get 40 mpg out of a GT3 and over 30 from my CLK55AMG if I put my mind to it and regularly see 40+ from the Scirocco R.
    Ford are claiming 27mpg on the urban cycle for a 1.5 turbo petrol Mondeo. Real world figures would probably put that around 20. The CO2 figure is astronomical compared to others makers too. How is this progress Ford? No wonder you don’t see many Mondeos around these days. 
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    edited December 6
    So, an update. We tried various estates as planned,  and all got ruled out because Mrs B is starting to struggle with dodgy hips and couldn’t get in and out easily. Tbh my back doesn’t take too kindly to getting out of cars with low seats either. Getting our grandson into his child seat was also difficult with our XF, so we’ve realised we really need something with a higher seating position.  

    We decided to try a couple of SUV’s although we’d ruled them out previously. And the winner was..... an Audi Q5. My brother in law has got one and we were pretty impressed with it.  Nice driving position, 2 litre turbo petrol with plenty enough poke, really smooth gear changes, very quiet, auto stop start to help with the mpg. We went for the S Line version with tech pack which has a pretty decent level of kit, although I’ll miss the memory seats, heated front screen and blind spot mirrors of the Jag. 

    Picking it up tomorrow. Happy bunny. 
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