New Fender American Performer series?

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  • lasermonkeylasermonkey Frets: 1103
    rossi said:
    Mustang and teles look decent assuming these new pickups sound good!! But Strat trem on a JM??? And they had a lake placid blue one and everything....
    To be honest its sounds sensible .Everyone and their  dog moans about the offsets trems and when Fender mod it oh gawd blimey wot a fuss and frolics.Modern C necks ..gawd will the world stop turning ....... 3.
    If by "everyone and their dog" you mean the guys at Guitarist Magazine, then yeah. Otherwise, I think you'll find that there's a good many of us that think it's the best trem available. Personally, I can't get on with any other style. Plus it adds to the sound.

    Apart from the shape, the trem and the pickups are the whole point of the Jazzmaster. Do away with those and you have to wonder what the point is.
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  • Dan_HalenDan_Halen Frets: 91
    GG Edinburgh have them in store already. Had a little play around with a strat and tele, both surf green, and they seemed like nice guitars. Nice weight, balance, neck nice and very smooth satin feeling. Not a lot to not like although the finish might be a bit marmite. Photos don't really show but it's completely matt and feels like it just hasn't had it's final sand and lacquer.
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  • Gerz6558Gerz6558 Frets: 93

    Apart from the shape, the trem and the pickups are the whole point of the Jazzmaster. Do away with those and you have to wonder what the point is.
    I'm sure there would be riots on the streets if Fender only offered strat fans a strat with a Jag/JM trem, and nothing else in the range  =)

    I thought the best compromise was the American Professional JM.  Retained what I would say is the core look and feel, even if they did try and make it sound like a strat with those pickups.
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2571
    Hold the press! Fender rebrand the old faithfuls for the umpteenth time.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 274
    rossi said:
    Mustang and teles look decent assuming these new pickups sound good!! But Strat trem on a JM??? And they had a lake placid blue one and everything....
    To be honest its sounds sensible .Everyone and their  dog moans about the offsets trems and when Fender mod it oh gawd blimey wot a fuss and frolics.Modern C necks ..gawd will the world stop turning ....... 3.
    That always seems to be the perception, though I see far more comments bemoaning the lack of standard JM trem or quasi-traditional spec.

     The trem, the pickups and the body shape are the basis of the Jazzmaster and shouldn’t be messed with too much imo!!
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  • skunkwerxskunkwerx Frets: 1626
    Bigsby said:
    MattFGBI said:
    thegummy said:
    Still confusing naming scheme but I suppose it's less confusing than the "American Special" being the least special of the American-made range
    It’s been changed to make more sense. The core ranges go like this:

    Professional 
    Performer
    Player

    a bit more representative of a guitar player’s journey. 

    I can understand why Fender want to move away from the same names Gibson use, but I do prefer the model names to be about the guitar's position in the range (e.g. special, standard, custom), rather than the player's supposed rank. It's not as though you need to be in a band to own a 'Performer' or have a contract to play a 'Professional'. Will Custom shop become 'Recording Artist', 'Superstar' or perhaps, sticking to the 'P' theme, 'Prima Donna'?
    Periodontist?? :D 
    I think thats part of the Prs range.. 

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  • barnstormbarnstorm Frets: 45
    edited December 4
    That always seems to be the perception, though I see far more comments bemoaning the lack of standard JM trem or quasi-traditional spec.

     The trem, the pickups and the body shape are the basis of the Jazzmaster and shouldn’t be messed with too much imo!!

    I think some people get cross because it was out of production for so long (in the US, at least), and ever since the reissues appeared it has generally been relatively expensive to get hold of one with the specs that people liked in the first place.

    Personally I could take or leave the JM trem, but I love the traditional pickups and rhythm circuit, so the various 'simplified' models Fender has done, including this new one, don't pose a danger to my wallet.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 1054
    skunkwerx said:
    Bigsby said:
    MattFGBI said:
    thegummy said:
    Still confusing naming scheme but I suppose it's less confusing than the "American Special" being the least special of the American-made range
    It’s been changed to make more sense. The core ranges go like this:

    Professional 
    Performer
    Player

    a bit more representative of a guitar player’s journey. 

    I can understand why Fender want to move away from the same names Gibson use, but I do prefer the model names to be about the guitar's position in the range (e.g. special, standard, custom), rather than the player's supposed rank. It's not as though you need to be in a band to own a 'Performer' or have a contract to play a 'Professional'. Will Custom shop become 'Recording Artist', 'Superstar' or perhaps, sticking to the 'P' theme, 'Prima Donna'?
    Periodontist?? :D 
    I think thats part of the Prs range.. 

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  • MattFGBI said:
    thegummy said:
    Still confusing naming scheme but I suppose it's less confusing than the "American Special" being the least special of the American-made range
    It’s been changed to make more sense. The core ranges go like this:

    Professional 
    Performer
    Player

    a bit more representative of a guitar player’s journey. 

    Anxiously awaiting the ‘Prima-Donna’ range. 
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  • dindudedindude Frets: 5637
    Gerz6558 said:

    Apart from the shape, the trem and the pickups are the whole point of the Jazzmaster. Do away with those and you have to wonder what the point is.
    I'm sure there would be riots on the streets if Fender only offered strat fans a strat with a Jag/JM trem, and nothing else in the range  =)

    I thought the best compromise was the American Professional JM.  Retained what I would say is the core look and feel, even if they did try and make it sound like a strat with those pickups.
    I’ve been spending a bit of time with the American Professional JM and have to agree it’s a belting guitar, seems to be very overlooked because of the off-set mafia. Don’t get me wrong, I owned a AVRI Jaguar up until recently and I really do “get” offsets for all their quirks, but they are guitars you have to “tune” into.
    The Pro JM has a voice of its own, yes leans towards a Strat, but wider and more scooped sounding, but still punch, and has that trem. It’s a great voice, that is more Fendery than any Fender I’ve ever had, and if it had been around like this in the 60’s people would have carved some great music on it and it would have its own classic sound associations. But alas, any modern interpretation is just “not like the real thing”. I feel sorry for fender here. I say try the guitars for what they are, not what they aren’t, you never know you may find something you call you own.

    Just makes me smile that offsets had their second sun when alternative bands picked them up and put them through so many fx they may have well used a strimmer as a guitar, it was a big F-U to the conventional Strat/Tele/Les Paul brigade, yet the mondern day offset-er is usually the most conservative of the bunch when it comes to changes.
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  • MattFGBIMattFGBI Frets: 1476
    Hey @MattFGBI , don't suppose you know what the routing on the Mustang is like do you? Swimming pool would be nice. 
    They are SS routed, not swimming pool. 
    This is not an official response. 

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  • Gerz6558Gerz6558 Frets: 93
    dindude said:
    I’ve been spending a bit of time with the American Professional JM and have to agree it’s a belting guitar, seems to be very overlooked because of the off-set mafia. Don’t get me wrong, I owned a AVRI Jaguar up until recently and I really do “get” offsets for all their quirks, but they are guitars you have to “tune” into.
    The Pro JM has a voice of its own, yes leans towards a Strat, but wider and more scooped sounding, but still punch, and has that trem. It’s a great voice, that is more Fendery than any Fender I’ve ever had, and if it had been around like this in the 60’s people would have carved some great music on it and it would have its own classic sound associations. But alas, any modern interpretation is just “not like the real thing”. I feel sorry for fender here. I say try the guitars for what they are, not what they aren’t, you never know you may find something you call you own.

    Just makes me smile that offsets had their second sun when alternative bands picked them up and put them through so many fx they may have well used a strimmer as a guitar, it was a big F-U to the conventional Strat/Tele/Les Paul brigade, yet the mondern day offset-er is usually the most conservative of the bunch when it comes to changes.
    I hear what you're saying, but I really don't think it's about offset lovers poking holes in the new line up this time.

    The trem is a key contributer of its look, sound and feel. Replacing it for a strat trem and still calling it a jazzmaster is comical, especially when it's the only flavour of the jazzmaster in this range.

    I go back to what I said before, if Fender tampered with the fundamentals of the strat format for this range there would be widespread moans and groans.

    Having said all of this, it's good that there are enough alternatives outside of this range these days where I can try and convince myself I never saw it  =)
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  • punchesjudypunchesjudy Frets: 129
    MattFGBI said:
    Hey @MattFGBI , don't suppose you know what the routing on the Mustang is like do you? Swimming pool would be nice. 
    They are SS routed, not swimming pool. 
    Ah fair enough. Thanks for letting me know. 
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  • 5redlights5redlights Frets: 203
    I actually really like the look of the jazzmaster. Yes, I'm not a purist, but it's a slightly different set up that might draw some people in. The strats also look good too. 

    What I don't understand however is the pricing. It's ridiculous. A jump from around £450/£500 for the player series then nearly £1k for the performer is a huge mistake. 

    Fender, mainly through squier, do a good job of covering multiple options at different price increments in the sub £500 category. What's the professional series, an extra £150? 

    The performers should be £700-£800, especially if they're replacing the specials. 

    Total fail. 
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 9689
    I actually really like the look of the jazzmaster. Yes, I'm not a purist, but it's a slightly different set up that might draw some people in. The strats also look good too. 

    What I don't understand however is the pricing. It's ridiculous. A jump from around £450/£500 for the player series then nearly £1k for the performer is a huge mistake. 

    Fender, mainly through squier, do a good job of covering multiple options at different price increments in the sub £500 category. What's the professional series, an extra £150? 

    The performers should be £700-£800, especially if they're replacing the specials. 

    Total fail. 
    I assume they're not done with the range updates - I'd expect to see a new version of the Mexi Classic/Classic Player series next. Those already sit in the 600-800 price range, and have been pretty much unchanged in the lineup for 10+ years, so I wouldn't be surprised to see those get updated soon. 
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3948
    I actually really like the look of the jazzmaster. Yes, I'm not a purist, but it's a slightly different set up that might draw some people in. The strats also look good too. 

    What I don't understand however is the pricing. It's ridiculous. A jump from around £450/£500 for the player series then nearly £1k for the performer is a huge mistake. 

    Fender, mainly through squier, do a good job of covering multiple options at different price increments in the sub £500 category. What's the professional series, an extra £150? 

    The performers should be £700-£800, especially if they're replacing the specials. 

    Total fail. 
    I assume they're not done with the range updates - I'd expect to see a new version of the Mexi Classic/Classic Player series next. Those already sit in the 600-800 price range, and have been pretty much unchanged in the lineup for 10+ years, so I wouldn't be surprised to see those get updated soon. 

    As long as they don't mess up the Classic Series.  They might be the best guitars Fender make outside of the Custom Shop, with the possible exception of the American Original Series.
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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1408
    These are the same price as the Mexican Lacquer series, I would rather go for one of those. 
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3948
    edited December 5
    These are the same price as the Mexican Lacquer series, I would rather go for one of those. 


    The Lacquer Series is basically the Classic Series with a nitro finish, and a very limited selection of colours.

    With Fender having so many different series, you would think that they could manage a useful variation like a 32" medium scale P bass, but do they?  No

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  • 5redlights5redlights Frets: 203
    crunchman said:
    These are the same price as the Mexican Lacquer series, I would rather go for one of those. 


    The Lacquer Series is basically the Classic Series with a nitro finish, and a very limited selection of colours.

    With Fender having so many different series, you would think that they could manage a useful variation like a 32" medium scale P bass, but do they?  No

    Good shout. they've done shorter scale versions of strats, teles and some basses, and it's an obvious area to play with a bit more. I personally would absolutely love a 25.5 scale duo sonic. 

    There's a couple of historical reissues I think they should go for too. The slab body P basses from the late 60s would be very popular as a re-issue, then there's things like the 72 Thinline tele deluxe with the big headstock, or a MIM 70s hardtail strat. 
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  • I was in Coda a couple of weeks ago where I spotted a pre-release American Performer Tele in Vintage Yellow with a humbucker in the neck. Played it for a while and was pleasantly surprised. Surprised enough to buy it. Used it in the studio through a PRRI and it did everything expected. The pickup at the neck is a real find; not overpowering the bridge pickup in any way which makes a change and the coil split actually works plus I actually used the tone control which I don't normally do. Frets are spot on. The only change I made is to put on a set of Callaham saddles as I find them more accurate than the stock ones but that's just my preference. I'll report back after this weekend when it'll be put through it's paces on a gig through a Fender Hardwired '64 Deluxe Reverb.
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  • BabonesBabones Frets: 901

    The performers should be £700-£800, especially if they're replacing the specials. 


    Quick google online shows £949 as the cheapest for Strats/Teles.

    £925 on Denmark Street though (Strats/Teles in Wunjo). So who knows, maybe next year they'll be £8xx. That Penny finish is quite sparkly in person.
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  • timmysofttimmysoft Frets: 1782
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!
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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1408
    timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!

    It's not a Jazzmaster anymore. 
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  • gringopiggringopig Frets: 617
    timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!

    It's not a Jazzmaster anymore. 
    Nope. Not a Jazzmaster. The bridge and the strings behind it are integral to the Jazzmaster and Jaguar sound, Properly set up with a neck shim as they should be and there is no issue with strings popping out or rattle or anything. The tremelo is the only one I've ever tried that actually stays in tune.
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  • grungebobgrungebob Frets: 1140
    timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!

    It's not a Jazzmaster anymore. 
    It is, says so on the headstock. 
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  • Gerz6558Gerz6558 Frets: 93
    edited December 6
    timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!
    Oh dear. The Fender marketing seems to have claimed it's first victim 
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  • Gerz6558Gerz6558 Frets: 93
    timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!

    It's not a Jazzmaster anymore. 
    And unless I've missed it I am curious to hear what those new pickups sound like.

    If they have taken inspiration from the professional range they will have done their best to make sure it doesn't sound anything like a Jazzmaster either. 
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  • SNAKEBITESNAKEBITE Frets: 677

    The "new" trem makes it look just like my jagmaster!

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  • timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!

    It's not a Jazzmaster anymore. 


    Yeah, I'm no purist, but the one thing you that makes a JM a JM or a Jag a Jag is the trem and the associated string length behind the bridge (is that two things? Anyway...). The behind the bridge strings give that characteristic offset 'whine' when the amp is just breaking up - you can spot it a mile off on a record. I guess it's extra overtones?

    I have changed the bridge on every offset I've owned, so that's always an essential upgrade. I think pickups are a matter of personal taste and I can live with thinner coil 'Strat-like' alternatives. There's a fair bit of variation in vintage JM pickups anyway. I have a MIJ Jazzmaster that's about 15 years old and it had the strat-type pickups in from new - sounded great. I got the chance of a set of Lollar JM pickups for a bargain price and they're in there now. Nice upgrade, but not essential.

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  • dindudedindude Frets: 5637
    timmysoft said:
    At last, Fender get rid of the hideous JM bridge and put a proper trem on. Good work Fender, i'd probably own one now!

    It's not a Jazzmaster anymore. 


    Yeah, I'm no purist, but the one thing you that makes a JM a JM or a Jag a Jag is the trem and the associated string length behind the bridge (is that two things? Anyway...). The behind the bridge strings give that characteristic offset 'whine' when the amp is just breaking up - you can spot it a mile off on a record. I guess it's extra overtones?

    I have changed the bridge on every offset I've owned, so that's always an essential upgrade. I think pickups are a matter of personal taste and I can live with thinner coil 'Strat-like' alternatives. There's a fair bit of variation in vintage JM pickups anyway. I have a MIJ Jazzmaster that's about 15 years old and it had the strat-type pickups in from new - sounded great. I got the chance of a set of Lollar JM pickups for a bargain price and they're in there now. Nice upgrade, but not essential.

    Absolutely spot on with my thoughts, I’m not a purist but that Trem is essential. 
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