Edit: M-audio vs Presonus vs Steinberg.

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  • wave100wave100 Frets: 145
    tekbow said:
    Just out of interest... has anyone known of someone using a UR44 with a Torpedo Reload?

    Due diligence and all that, like with the drivers, but the only mentions of them interacting are on the Steinberg Forum, and one other recording forum, in German. Having run it through Google translate, it seems the combination were not a success.

    At this point I'm going to sleep on the decision, because I just dunno anymore.

    I do know audient work with two notes and their interfaces plus Two Notes hardware are generally a successful and hassle free match.

    Which leaves me the ID44 in terms of ins and outs I want, or revisiting the Presonus stuff which I don't want to do because half the stuff I read says they rock and the other half says the drivers aren't great.
    Does the Torpedo Reload not just provide a line level output in which case any interface that works will do the trick?
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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    wave100 said:
    tekbow said:
    Just out of interest... has anyone known of someone using a UR44 with a Torpedo Reload?

    Due diligence and all that, like with the drivers, but the only mentions of them interacting are on the Steinberg Forum, and one other recording forum, in German. Having run it through Google translate, it seems the combination were not a success.

    At this point I'm going to sleep on the decision, because I just dunno anymore.

    I do know audient work with two notes and their interfaces plus Two Notes hardware are generally a successful and hassle free match.

    Which leaves me the ID44 in terms of ins and outs I want, or revisiting the Presonus stuff which I don't want to do because half the stuff I read says they rock and the other half says the drivers aren't great.
    Does the Torpedo Reload not just provide a line level output in which case any interface that works will do the trick?


    yep it does, it has a HiZ in for the guitar output to the interface from a balanced line level XLR, into the XLR on the front of the interface. You then run a cable back via a line level TRS output on the back of the interface (i guess one of the secondary pair of line level outputs) back into the Reload which has a balanced TRS input, then a standard instrument level output on the back of the Reload is patched to the input of the amp.

    the German guy seemed to have issues getting anything to output at all from the interface. He eventually managed to but then it stopped working again the next day.

    Now, I'd have thought it would have been a matter of routing the input to the interface for direct monitoring (via one of the secondary line outs...?) and setting for record and monitor. Not that i know how this works on a practical level. But anyway, this is what he claims he did, and he still had issues.

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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 4222
    tekbow said:
    I just realised that, whilst the ID22 is expandable, it literally only has the XLR ins. no separate line ins. 
    It's got 2 line ins, in the form of the two "return" jack sockets on the back - and is one of the few interfaces where you can totally bypass the mic preamps, so there's no unnecessary colouration. The XLR sockets also double as jack inputs, so you can use the mic preamp gain if you need to. Finally, channel 2 also has a DI input.

    That said, low latency performance isn't great so @Heartfeltdawn is correct about the driver situation. That was a little disappointing for me, coming from RME's drivers.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 20165
    edited February 12
    tekbow said:
    Just out of interest... has anyone known of someone using a UR44 with a Torpedo Reload?


    Edit. You're talking about the hardware box. I use the VST plugin. I can't see why it won't work.

    Order a UR44, try and if it doesn't work return it.
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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    Cirrus said:
    tekbow said:
    I just realised that, whilst the ID22 is expandable, it literally only has the XLR ins. no separate line ins. 
    It's got 2 line ins, in the form of the two "return" jack sockets on the back - and is one of the few interfaces where you can totally bypass the mic preamps, so there's no unnecessary colouration. The XLR sockets also double as jack inputs, so you can use the mic preamp gain if you need to. Finally, channel 2 also has a DI input.

    That said, low latency performance isn't great so @Heartfeltdawn is correct about the driver situation. That was a little disappointing for me, coming from RME's drivers.


    Cirrus, i thought the return jacks couldn't be used simultaneously with the XLR's. As you say, it bypasses the MIC preamps. So I couldn't have both XLR's occupied with, for example, the Reload's DI and Loadbox  XLR outs run into the XLR's in the back of the ID22, whilst simultaneously having a stereo line level signal run from the amps slave out going into the "Return" jack sockets, could I?

    There's a direct monitoring function isn't there? with basically zero latency? So i could send the Dry DI signal from the reload HiZ input into the ID22 and straight out one of the line level outs, back to the Reload re-amp function. That means i can hear my actual amp whilst recording a dry signal for reamping. I think? you can record on and direct monitor the same track right?

    I mean, the re-amping thing might not be something i do very often anyway but if i want to do it, i'd like to know its a piece of equipment that plays nice with the Reload. 

    It's the capability to have multiple sources running into the ID22 simultaneously that i'd really like to have.

    But, you know, recording newb, so my expectations of what these units can do, may not be in line with what these units can actually do.

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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    Fretwired said:
    tekbow said:
    Just out of interest... has anyone known of someone using a UR44 with a Torpedo Reload?


    Edit. You're talking about the hardware box. I use the VST plugin. I can't see why it won't work.

    Order a UR44, try and if it doesn't work return it.


    You mean Wall of Sound?

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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 20165
    tekbow said:
    Fretwired said:
    tekbow said:
    Just out of interest... has anyone known of someone using a UR44 with a Torpedo Reload?


    Edit. You're talking about the hardware box. I use the VST plugin. I can't see why it won't work.

    Order a UR44, try and if it doesn't work return it.


    You mean Wall of Sound?

    Yes - I use Torpedo Wall of Sound.

    Just watched a video of the Torpedo Reload and yes it will work. I assume you want to use an amp head to record into your DAW.
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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    Fretwired said:
    tekbow said:
    Fretwired said:
    tekbow said:
    Just out of interest... has anyone known of someone using a UR44 with a Torpedo Reload?


    Edit. You're talking about the hardware box. I use the VST plugin. I can't see why it won't work.

    Order a UR44, try and if it doesn't work return it.


    You mean Wall of Sound?

    Yes - I use Torpedo Wall of Sound.

    Just watched a video of the Torpedo Reload and yes it will work. I assume you want to use an amp head to record into your DAW.


    Yes, i want to record my amp direct with the Torpedo Reload plugged between amp and cab, then use WOS to Cab and Mic  up the dry signal(s).

    A vid of the Torpedo Reload in use with the UR44? Can you link me? the German thread i found was having difficulty using the re-amp feature with the UR44 and Torpedo Reload combo

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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 20165
    edited February 12
    tekbow said:


    Yes, i want to record my amp direct with the Torpedo Reload plugged between amp and cab, then use WOS to Cab and Mic  up the dry signal(s).

    A vid of the Torpedo Reload in use with the UR44? Can you link me? the German thread i found was having difficulty using the re-amp feature with the UR44 and Torpedo Reload combo

    The vid wasn't using a UR44. The guy showed how you hook the thing up to an interface. I don't get the problem from a hardware point of view. The Torpedo Reload goes into input one and the mic'd cab into input two or three depending on what your using with your mic.

    Open your DAW, fire up two seperate mono audio channels, route them to the inputs, arm, and record.

    Make sure you have the right cables.


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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    Fretwired said:
    tekbow said:


    Yes, i want to record my amp direct with the Torpedo Reload plugged between amp and cab, then use WOS to Cab and Mic  up the dry signal(s).

    A vid of the Torpedo Reload in use with the UR44? Can you link me? the German thread i found was having difficulty using the re-amp feature with the UR44 and Torpedo Reload combo

    The vid wasn't using a UR44. The guy showed how you hook the thing up to an interface. I don't get the problem from a hardware point of view. The Torpedo Reload goes into input one and the mic'd cab into input two or three depending on what your using with your mic.

    Open your DAW, fire up two seperate mono audio channels, route them to the inputs, arm, and record.


    The hook up instructions are in the manual, I've familiarise myself with em. I don't get the problem either, it should have worked for the guy whose issues I mentioned, but it didn't. I don't really like buying stuff and sending it back, anytime I've done that with a big purchase, it's been questioned and was a bunch of hassle.

    So I'm trying to buy something that's been verified as playing nice with the Reload.

    No biggie, as I said, I'm going to put this interface purchase aside for now and revisit it in a week or so.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 20165
    tekbow said:
    Fretwired said:
    tekbow said:


    Yes, i want to record my amp direct with the Torpedo Reload plugged between amp and cab, then use WOS to Cab and Mic  up the dry signal(s).

    A vid of the Torpedo Reload in use with the UR44? Can you link me? the German thread i found was having difficulty using the re-amp feature with the UR44 and Torpedo Reload combo

    The vid wasn't using a UR44. The guy showed how you hook the thing up to an interface. I don't get the problem from a hardware point of view. The Torpedo Reload goes into input one and the mic'd cab into input two or three depending on what your using with your mic.

    Open your DAW, fire up two seperate mono audio channels, route them to the inputs, arm, and record.


    The hook up instructions are in the manual, I've familiarise myself with em. I don't get the problem either, it should have worked for the guy whose issues I mentioned, but it didn't. I don't really like buying stuff and sending it back, anytime I've done that with a big purchase, it's been questioned and was a bunch of hassle.

    So I'm trying to buy something that's been verified as playing nice with the Reload.

    No biggie, as I said, I'm going to put this interface purchase aside for now and revisit it in a week or so.
    The German guy got it working .. reading between the lines he didn't know how to route the various inputs/outputs in Cubase as he'd not used it before. It is odd by virtue of the fact the products been around for a long time.
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 4222
    tekbow said:
    Cirrus said:
    tekbow said:
    I just realised that, whilst the ID22 is expandable, it literally only has the XLR ins. no separate line ins. 
    It's got 2 line ins, in the form of the two "return" jack sockets on the back - and is one of the few interfaces where you can totally bypass the mic preamps, so there's no unnecessary colouration. The XLR sockets also double as jack inputs, so you can use the mic preamp gain if you need to. Finally, channel 2 also has a DI input.


    Cirrus, i thought the return jacks couldn't be used simultaneously with the XLR's. As you say, it bypasses the MIC preamps. So I couldn't have both XLR's occupied with, for example, the Reload's DI and Loadbox  XLR outs run into the XLR's in the back of the ID22, whilst simultaneously having a stereo line level signal run from the amps slave out going into the "Return" jack sockets, could I?

    There's a direct monitoring function isn't there? with basically zero latency? So i could send the Dry DI signal from the reload HiZ input into the ID22 and straight out one of the line level outs, back to the Reload re-amp function. That means i can hear my actual amp whilst recording a dry signal for reamping. I think? you can record on and direct monitor the same track right?

    I mean, the re-amping thing might not be something i do very often anyway but if i want to do it, i'd like to know its a piece of equipment that plays nice with the Reload. 

    It's the capability to have multiple sources running into the ID22 simultaneously that i'd really like to have.

    But, you know, recording newb, so my expectations of what these units can do, may not be in line with what these units can actually do.

    Correct, it's a 2 channel interface so you can't get round that by plugging into the XLR and return sockets at the same time to have 4 inputs - I was just setting the record straight about it literally having no separate line ins, because within the confines of being a 2-input interface, it's actually got one of the better setups on the market for plugging in line level devices.


    And yes, it does have direct monitoring so the round trip for that is the usual 3 milliseconds or so of A/D-D/A conversion. So yeah, you could route a DI input back out to an amp for monitoring.


    I can't remember whether the channel sends are normal or half normal, so there's an off chance you could split the signal there and not even need to bother with the direct monitoring, though I'd need to check...

    Again, though, low latency performance isn't great, compared to what I've had in the past. That doesn't bother me personally because the form factor - physical volume knob, easily reachable dim, cut, and mono buttons - are handy for mixing, and when mixing I'm using the highest buffer sizes anyway.
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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    @Cirrus, gotcha WRT to that distinction.

    I agree in terms of the form factor and layout, which would be convenient for my needs. I'm also not too concerned about the low latency performance as I don't think it's going to be relevant to how I intend to use it.

    Anyways, I slept on it, did some more looking, googled "UR44 reamping" and found quite a few more experienced people than me having issues with routing and various other things. Successfully resolved mind you, but not without in depth fiddling

    Then I saw a vid on the routing software with the ID series and thought I'll go with what makes life easy as a newb to interfaces.

    Ordered an ID44 today. Has the ins and outs i want. I'll just sell some of my idle gear I haven't used in a while to make up the difference in budget.
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  • IMC1980IMC1980 Frets: 26
    tekbow said:
    @Cirrus, gotcha WRT to that distinction.

    I agree in terms of the form factor and layout, which would be convenient for my needs. I'm also not too concerned about the low latency performance as I don't think it's going to be relevant to how I intend to use it.

    Anyways, I slept on it, did some more looking, googled "UR44 reamping" and found quite a few more experienced people than me having issues with routing and various other things. Successfully resolved mind you, but not without in depth fiddling

    Then I saw a vid on the routing software with the ID series and thought I'll go with what makes life easy as a newb to interfaces.

    Ordered an ID44 today. Has the ins and outs i want. I'll just sell some of my idle gear I haven't used in a while to make up the difference in budget.
    I use the ID22 and whilst it isn't at RME levels, I can run BFD3 and several instances of S-gear 2 at 128 buffer size, giving a total round trip of 9.9 ms, it works great for tracking with amp sims and I am using a 2013 i7 laptop with 8gig of ram, so nothing special hardware wise. I think the ID22 and 44 use the same drivers.

    The routing is also good; you can send signals out through your 3&4 outputs for re-amping or hardware sends from your DAW, just make sure you don't put the "DAW THRU" option on anything you are monitoring with, it could take your hearing out!
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  • tekbowtekbow Frets: 450
    IMC1980 said:
    tekbow said:
    @Cirrus, gotcha WRT to that distinction.

    I agree in terms of the form factor and layout, which would be convenient for my needs. I'm also not too concerned about the low latency performance as I don't think it's going to be relevant to how I intend to use it.

    Anyways, I slept on it, did some more looking, googled "UR44 reamping" and found quite a few more experienced people than me having issues with routing and various other things. Successfully resolved mind you, but not without in depth fiddling

    Then I saw a vid on the routing software with the ID series and thought I'll go with what makes life easy as a newb to interfaces.

    Ordered an ID44 today. Has the ins and outs i want. I'll just sell some of my idle gear I haven't used in a while to make up the difference in budget.
    I use the ID22 and whilst it isn't at RME levels, I can run BFD3 and several instances of S-gear 2 at 128 buffer size, giving a total round trip of 9.9 ms, it works great for tracking with amp sims and I am using a 2013 i7 laptop with 8gig of ram, so nothing special hardware wise. I think the ID22 and 44 use the same drivers.

    The routing is also good; you can send signals out through your 3&4 outputs for re-amping or hardware sends from your DAW, just make sure you don't put the "DAW THRU" option on anything you are monitoring with, it could take your hearing out!
    Is the DAW thru option the full volume one you can't turn down?
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  • IMC1980IMC1980 Frets: 26
    tekbow said:
    IMC1980 said:
    tekbow said:
    @Cirrus, gotcha WRT to that distinction.

    I agree in terms of the form factor and layout, which would be convenient for my needs. I'm also not too concerned about the low latency performance as I don't think it's going to be relevant to how I intend to use it.

    Anyways, I slept on it, did some more looking, googled "UR44 reamping" and found quite a few more experienced people than me having issues with routing and various other things. Successfully resolved mind you, but not without in depth fiddling

    Then I saw a vid on the routing software with the ID series and thought I'll go with what makes life easy as a newb to interfaces.

    Ordered an ID44 today. Has the ins and outs i want. I'll just sell some of my idle gear I haven't used in a while to make up the difference in budget.
    I use the ID22 and whilst it isn't at RME levels, I can run BFD3 and several instances of S-gear 2 at 128 buffer size, giving a total round trip of 9.9 ms, it works great for tracking with amp sims and I am using a 2013 i7 laptop with 8gig of ram, so nothing special hardware wise. I think the ID22 and 44 use the same drivers.

    The routing is also good; you can send signals out through your 3&4 outputs for re-amping or hardware sends from your DAW, just make sure you don't put the "DAW THRU" option on anything you are monitoring with, it could take your hearing out!
    Is the DAW thru option the full volume one you can't turn down?
    Yeah, that's the one. It is great for re-amping, just make sure you flick it back to your regular mix in the routing matrix if you use the same outputs for monitoring. 
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