Man City and Financial Fair Play

guitars4you

Okay, so MCFC are going to be investigated regarding FFP - In some ways it is easy to say fair enough and I don't mean that in a vindictive way - Yet such issues are fairly rife and not just for the biggest clubs  - Leicester, QPR and Bournemouth all recently broke FFP to get promoted from the EFL - The fines they received from the EFL were ultra small in comparison to the gains the Premier League offers - Derby have probably just avoided FFP investigation, as Mel Morris, the owner, sold Pride Park to a company he owns - So effectively he is now the landlord and club owner

So easy to join the band wagon and say bring it on ref MCFC - PSG are still under investigation, again !!!! - And I believe MCFC are also under investigation for the junior recruitment policy - Is this a similar issue to that of  Chelsea 

However I do agree that if punishment is to be issued for FFP, then it needs to be something like a European ban and/or points deduction - No use issuing a paltry fine as it is just a tax deductible  'offence' that the rich owners can easily afford - A points deduction should be far more effective and again I'd favour this over any transfer ban and/or limit on players available for the Champions league (this is how they 'fined' PSG back in 2014 with only 21 players allowed - 21 players is still just about 2 teams, so not really any punishment at all )

sev112

Why? If they are businesses and wish to play in the world of business, why not let them do and spend what they wish?
Why do we think this is a new thing. It always went on many many decades ago, but was dealt with in brown envelopes. 

Grumpyrocker

The punishment should most definitely fit what they gained.

So a team getting into the Champions League should be excluded. If they broke the rules to win a trophy/championship they should be stripped of that. If they did it to avoid relegation they should be relegated. 

kjdowd

It seems a little lopsided that teams get points deducted for bankruptcy but not for FFP violations. I’m not just saying that as a liverpool fan, promise...

kjdowd

Applies equally in other sports. Sarries always look a bit suspect, for example 

joeyowen

City have already threatened UEFA, who will not want to spend the money in court, so they will just get a fine.

Also worth remembering, that whilst UEFA are investigating PSG, they appointed the president of PSG onto their executive committee... no bias... none... at all...sure.

However, it is now front page news on many sites, so UEFA might feel some pressure

munckee

With the 4 english clubs contesting the two european finals there is almost certainly going to be tightening of financial rules to prevent that happening again!

ESBlonde

It's just another 'professional foul', the ref might wave a yellow card.

Grumpyrocker

Sport is so bent.

For example the top few teams are what's stopping F1 improving to make it a fairer and more watchable sport. The pigs that are first in the trough are happy where they are.

wesker123

Agree that fine is waste of time. Have to try different approach. This is second time around too.

Didn't Glasgow Rangers get relegated to bottom tier for similar misdemeanours?

guitars4you

kjdowd said:

It seems a little lopsided that teams get points deducted for bankruptcy but not for FFP violations. 

I thought that as well - Bolton are about to get a 12 point deduction and Brum last year had 9 points - Can't fine them as in Bolton's case they have no funds so kick them when they are down

guitars4you

sev112 said:

Why? If they are businesses and wish to play in the world of business, why not let them do and spend what they wish?
Why do we think this is a new thing. It always went on many many decades ago, but was dealt with in brown envelopes. 

In that case let Amazon etc run the world and kill all forms of retail and smaller businesses 

UEFA and FIFA are corrupt like many organisations are, but they still apply rules that competitors are accountable to - If MCFC don't want to abide by them, then they can set up and own their own league structure - But whilst they want to play in UEFA's league they should abide by the rules - Ditto all clubs etc

underdog

UEFA need to decide if they want FFP or not, these cases they have going at the moment are tackling the big boys (PSG, City) and if they don't give them a punishment that makes then take notice then they may as well get rid of it all together.

Barca and Real have some seriously dodgy dealings too, just maybe in a slightly different way.

It's time to decide if they want the rule or not, it's like not banning athletes for using band substances, either everyone can do it or no one surely?.

I'm genuinely surprised teams sticking to the rules in the respective leagues/tournaments having already made some kind of legal challenge.

sev112

guitars4you said:

sev112 said:

Why? If they are businesses and wish to play in the world of business, why not let them do and spend what they wish?
Why do we think this is a new thing. It always went on many many decades ago, but was dealt with in brown envelopes. 

In that case let Amazon etc run the world and kill all forms of retail and smaller businesses 

UEFA and FIFA are corrupt like many organisations are, but they still apply rules that competitors are accountable to - If MCFC don't want to abide by them, then they can set up and own their own league structure - But whilst they want to play in UEFA's league they should abide by the rules - Ditto all clubs etc

There are still only 11 people on a team at a time. And there are zillions of leagues for those who want to play with jumpers as goalposts etc.

perhaps all the guitar companies should do the same.  Every manufacturer, whether fender or Dave Dogs Guitars should all have the same amount of money and it will just be about talent.

ourmaninthenorth

As far as City and PSG go, the only punishment that'll mean anything is to strip them of their European Cup victories, oh wait...

Bastards...plan B.....

UnclePsychosis

wesker123 said:

Agree that fine is waste of time. Have to try different approach. This is second time around too.

Didn't Glasgow Rangers get relegated to bottom tier for similar misdemeanours?

No.

Rangers went into liquidation, i.e. they actually went bust. When that happened they were kicked out of the SPL. 

A successor company acquired the assets under a new corporate identity and were ultimately accepted into the bottom tier of the SFL under a conditional membership. 

underdog

sev112 said:

guitars4you said:

sev112 said:

Why? If they are businesses and wish to play in the world of business, why not let them do and spend what they wish?
Why do we think this is a new thing. It always went on many many decades ago, but was dealt with in brown envelopes. 

In that case let Amazon etc run the world and kill all forms of retail and smaller businesses 

UEFA and FIFA are corrupt like many organisations are, but they still apply rules that competitors are accountable to - If MCFC don't want to abide by them, then they can set up and own their own league structure - But whilst they want to play in UEFA's league they should abide by the rules - Ditto all clubs etc

There are still only 11 people on a team at a time. And there are zillions of leagues for those who want to play with jumpers as goalposts etc.

perhaps all the guitar companies should do the same.  Every manufacturer, whether fender or Dave Dogs Guitars should all have the same amount of money and it will just be about talent.

There are 11 on the field at a time, but in this day and age football at the top is very much a squad game, and a team having infinite money not only means they can afford 22 world class players but also they buy players to prevent others buying them, then add in it inflates the market so even players the big boys don't want now cost the smaller teams double.

As mentioned above teams agreed to the rules, they don't have to play in European competitions if they don't like the rules.

iseverynamegone

It’s an absolute disgrace and the punishment should be to move Pep and the squad to Salford. 

Dungus

They can spend all the money in the world, buy as much success as they can get away with and they'll still have fake, digital flag banners around their stadium. 

sev112

Leicester
Ran away with the premier league and quarter finals of Champions League

and how many times have Man City won the Champions League?
And Chelsea have run away with it so many times too

underdog

sev112 said:

Leicester
Ran away with the premier league and quarter finals of Champions League

and how many times have Man City won the Champions League?
And Chelsea have run away with it so many times too

Leicester was a freak year, and probably won't happen again for another 50 years or more.

Chelsea won plenty once they were backed with Russian money. Not seeing your point.