FuzzFace - Before or after buffered tuner?

Travisthedog

Ive read these beasts can be a little fussy around buffers or buffered pedals.

My current Sig Path is Ernie Ball Wah, TU3, Toadworks Fuzz, SParkbooster, Wampler Euphoria.

If i add a fuzzface to this (germanium) its it better off going before the TU3?

frankus

this is relevant to my interests...

EricTheWeary

a) I don't know
b) can't you try it?
c) putting my Vibratrem ( I know it isn't a fuzz!) directly after a buffered tuner was like magic.Got rid of the noise, improved the quality of the effect, such a massive difference. 
d) I am interested as I'm having daydreams about red mini fuzz faces.
e) this probably wasn't much help was it?

Sporky

I would expect it to exhibit more typical fuzzface behaviour before the tuner.

As I recall the real problem is putting one just after a crybaby (or related circuit) wah.

stickyfiddle

In my experience old timey fuzzes are always best with a guitar plugged straight into them.

randomhandclaps

Theoretically it shouldn't sound overly different and given the choice I would put the tuner first.  The Fuzz Face ideally likes to see a low impedance at the input so actually likes buffers.  The issue with the classic Cry Baby problem is although featuring a bypass buffer the actual output isn't buffered back to low impedance - which also equates for the audible tone suck.  Fuzz Faces like buffers, just not shit ones.

Travisthedog

Sporky;37615" said:

I would expect it to exhibit more typical fuzzface behaviour before the tuner.



As I recall the real problem is putting one just after a crybaby (or related circuit) wah.

And would a Ernie Ball wah be some such circuit

ICBM

I would put it first.

Fuzz Faces do 'like' buffers in the sense that they work more evenly after one, but I think that misses the point - the beauty of the FF-type circuit is that you can control it to an extreme degree from the guitar volume control... exactly because the guitar's output impedance rises fairly drastically as you back the volume off from full.

Travisthedog

Ok so here's an interesting one. When I set the mini fuzz face up in the following order - wah - FF- tuner - drives etc it sounded ace but the volume and tone controls on my strat seemed to be rendered useless.

Swapping the tuner and fuzz round sounded worse, but brought the tone etc back to life but they still are t 100%. Guitar FF Amp and all works as it should

WtF?

spacecadet

You'll need the FF first if you want to use it as God intended. After a buffer you loose all the dynamics and the stuff that a good fuzz does.

ThePrettyDamned

Try fuzz face, then wah.

I know, wah first etc, but I preferred my fuzz face derived thing pre wah, and the wah still sounded good. Till I sold it

spacecadet

Skip to 103 to hear what the buffers do!

Fazer

put the germanium fuzz face first in the chain

what pedal is it? there may be some that are internally buffered so that they dont sound different after a buffer or not, but they dont sound as good quite frankly

Travisthedog

It's a fuzz face mini

I can't put it first without fucking up my pedalboard!! See attached photo....

Fazer

fucked up in what way? i cant see any attached photo, attached to where?

Travisthedog

Sorry photo bucket mobile is buggered. Basically it sits on the edge of the board and looks neat!