Erm fickle bunch aren't we

maltingsaudio

There was a discussion a few months ago about the pro's and cons of putting a fender sticker on a custom build in this thread about Ransoms http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/26337/how-to-sell-a-guitar-lesson-1-insult-the-customer/p1  and now @gassage is selling his Nash http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/29603/fs-bill-nash-relic-strat-very-early-model#latest which lo and behold has a fender sticker on and attracting great comments on how nice it is!

PS NO MALICOUS INTENT TOWARDS GASSAGE just making a general point

PPS If I had the money would buy it!  

guitargeek62

Sshhh, we're all waiting to take advantage of more clearout bargains!!!! We can complain afterwards!

Richardj

I'll go first then.....

It's a fake!

It can only say Fender if it is one and if it isn't it is in breach of their copyright so illegal too!

(unless it is a genuine Fender neck on an aftermarket body and then it's a parts caster.

OK, happy now?  

Still looks nice though....  Just have to sort out your feelings on using other peoples trade marks on your own products.

hobbio

My personal opinion is that everything with a Fender logo (or any other company) on it should have been made by that company. Replicas etc are fine, but chucking a Fender logo on the headstock is more than a bit dodgy unless Fender made it (or at least the neck!) in the first place.

I think the Nash is probably better than anything that came out of a Fender factory anyway, so putting that Fender logo on there doesn't do it any favours either.

For what it's worth, if I had the cash I'd have the Nash and I don't think I'd remove the decal but I certainly wouldn't have built it or specced it that way.

jd0272

I'm past caring about the issue now. Much more important things to worry about. Can't see Fender rockin up at my back door with a writ concerning a partsa I've nay intention of selling.

xmrchi

I am interested in the guitar, but the Fender decal is the one thing putting me off, if it said bill Nash I would have no hesitation buying, but the thought of having to explain what it is every time someone asks at a gig (and they would) would get tiresome, plus I agree with what is said above, if it was not made by Fender then it shouldn't really have a fender decal, if it said bill Nash i would respect it alot more than I do.

monquixote

Erm if it's got a Fender sticker on it you can't sell it on here

Alnico

mrchi said:

I am interested in the guitar, but the Fender decal is the one thing putting me off, if it said bill Nash I would have no hesitation buying, but the thought of having to explain what it is every time someone asks at a gig (and they would) would get tiresome, plus I agree with what is said above, if it was not made by Fender then it shouldn't really have a fender decal, if it said bill Nash i would respect it alot more than I do.

I think it would make quite a statement if you literally cross out the Fender Logo with a Sharpie !

meltedbuzzbox

and here we go again...

jd0272

meltedbuzzbox said:

and here we go again...

Wis'd.

guitarfishbay

LOL'd

guitarfishbay

(..Hoping for a free wow fret)

jd0272

monquixote said:

Erm if it's got a Fender sticker on it you can't sell it on here

Boss, surely that only applies if one's trying to be a snidey git and not declaring? @Gassage is being nothing if not 'above board'.

TTony

Richardj said:

It can only say Fender if it is one and if it isn't it is in breach of their copyright so illegal too!

(unless it is a genuine Fender neck on an aftermarket body and then it's a parts caster.

I thought that the Bill Nash stuff was partsocasters - his value add being his "finishing".  In which case, it's entirely possible that it IS a genuine Fender neck ...

monquixote said:

Erm if it's got a Fender sticker on it you can't sell it on here

TTony said:

its entirely possible that it IS a genuine Fender neck

@Gassage can probably bring this discussion to a prompt close!

jd0272

guitarfishbay said:

(..Hoping for a free wow fret)

Nah, ye can fck off, you've more numbers than me fella  

ThePrettyDamned

guitarfishbay;445844" said:

(..Hoping for a free wow fret)

Fuggit.

TTony;445853" said:

Richardj said:

It can only say Fender if it is one and if it isn't it is in breach of their copyright so illegal too!



(unless it is a genuine Fender neck on an aftermarket body and then it's a parts caster.





I thought that the Bill Nash stuff was partsocasters - his value add being his "finishing".  In which case, it's entirely possible that it IS a genuine Fender neck ...




monquixote said:

Erm if it's got a Fender sticker on it you can't sell it on here







TTony said:

its entirely possible that it IS a genuine Fender neck







@Gassage can probably bring this discussion to a prompt close!

I always thought Nash used licensed bits hence all above board.

jd0272

ThePrettyDamned said:

guitarfishbay;445844" said:

(..Hoping for a free wow fret)

Fuggit.

TTony;445853" said:

Richardj said:

It can only say Fender if it is one and if it isn't it is in breach of their copyright so illegal too!



(unless it is a genuine Fender neck on an aftermarket body and then it's a parts caster.





I thought that the Bill Nash stuff was partsocasters - his value add being his "finishing".  In which case, it's entirely possible that it IS a genuine Fender neck ...




monquixote said:

Erm if it's got a Fender sticker on it you can't sell it on here







TTony said:

its entirely possible that it IS a genuine Fender neck







@Gassage can probably bring this discussion to a prompt close!

I always thought Nash used licensed bits hence all above board.

You gave a free Wow? 

Whore  

digitalscream

jd0272 said:

monquixote said:

Erm if it's got a Fender sticker on it you can't sell it on here

Boss, surely that only applies if one's trying to be a snidey git and not declaring? @Gassage is being nothing if not 'above board'.

No, because it's illegal to sell anything pretending to be something it's not - full disclosure at the point of this sale doesn't mean that the next guy won't get stiffed. This isn't just a rule we made up; it's UK law.

In any case...yes, to my knowledge Bill Nash uses only licensed parts in his builds, so - legally speaking - at its core this is a Fender that's been worked over.

hobbio

That's a totally different kettle of fish then.

xmrchi

To be fair the finish looks amazing it really does, and tbh the legality part is not a prob to me (I feel Fender are not the same company as they used to be so are only an official copier in my eyes) it's again the fact that it takes away from the work that bill Nash does, and having to explain what it is and why it's not a fender to every guitar geek who asks would put me off........
But then again these sort of things should really be a non issue, I shouldn't be bothered by how it looks or what name is on it I should be bothered by tone craftsmanship and playability.
If someone slapped a Honda badge on my yamaha r6 i wouldn't give a toss as it would still ride and go as quick as an r6, so why do I see it so differently with guitars!? My life would be so much easier as I could buy a £800 guitar and be happy but it's not like that is it :-)

mart

digitalscream said:

...

In any case...yes, to my knowledge Bill Nash uses only licensed parts in his builds, so - legally speaking - at its core this is a Fender that's been worked over.

Meanwhile, in a far, far away thread from another galaxy:

fretmeister said:

...

I have an email somewhere from Fender's own legal team.

A guitar, made from official fender parts (everything - necks, pickups, wiring, pots etc etc all bought from Fender) is still not a Fender guitar. It is a guitar assembled from Fender parts.

That is the proper state of the law.

http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/395003/#Comment_395003