WTF ? Phillips Cleartone Guitars ( Mr Sausage fingers)

Bogwhoppit

"I am not a guitar builder but more of a master bodger really... grand master even! " dated 2009....

 

 

http://forum.bandmix.com/viewtopic.php?t=9779

 

ThePrettyDamned

So awkward how it just ends on his last comment...

martinw

 

Nice combination!

Bogwhoppit

martinw said:

 

Nice combination!

Is that for sausage legs ?

NervousJohn

Made out of discarded neck pickups

Antique_Guitars

My favourite bit is "since my wife moved out I have been in contact with a Philippina working on the other side of Europe (Romania) who might settle with me in the UK all things being equal"

Iamnobody

I'm glad he's not my posty...

"I have a song just written and recorded called 'Goodwyn's Road'; I started it when I was a 19 year old postman but just the idea in my head...

It was conceived from the names of the people living along one side of the road mentioned, and is carried by a slow stomp beat that mirrored by own then younger feet trudging round the housing estate in question."

Lexie1

Based in Medway in those days. Ah well, Medway's loss is Mayfield's............................... Loss.

Lukeage

usedtobe

Is 'work the machine' a euphemism..?

Lukeage

Oh dear.

Haha. Your words, not mine @usedtobe

See my thoughts are that he brings it upon himself. 

It seems he used to be in a habit of admitting that what he does is silly. Now, he seems to be convinced that this is the right thing to do and that this is what people want I guess he's going to be forever deluded and the madness will know no end. 

Deadman

Hahahahaha!!!

viz

I for one feel very uncomfortable about this Mark Phillips bullying. I'm sure each of you has humour not malice at the heart of it, but I'm imagining how he would feel if he stumbled across these threads about him. It's just not right. I think people should stop and the mods should delete the threads before he sees them.

jellyroll

Have a wisdom viz. Not sure these threads reflect well on the forum.

OilCityPickups

Commenting on the poor workmanship and insane concept of these 'creations' is, to my mind, totally different to launching personal derision in his general direction. I remain convinced that Warning the guitar buying public that these instruments are in no way worth what is being charged for them is a service.
However, some of the posts here and on the other thread have gone too far for my comfort too. His personal life ... even should he chose to make it uncomfortably public ... is his own, and I think we should respect that.

 

ToneControl

I agree with Viz,

sorry to sound preachy, if the stuff here triggered a serious event for this chap, no one would feel ok about it

OilCityPickups

There is however an aspect where the man'scowboy attitude is ripping the public off ... and nobody would want that... therefore I think that simply closing, locking or erasing the thread would also be counterproductive.

viz

Yep Ash, peoples' opinions on what they see as poor design or workmanship or sales practices are legit and not what I'm referring to.

redrighthand

Another vote for an end to the personal shit. The guitars and sales pitch are bizarre, but chances are that behind it all is a nice enough bloke who's trying to make a living.

Mods I would also like to see this thread sorted in some way. A critique on someone's guitars, however harsh, is one thing. But openly mocking his personal life is manifestly "being a dick".

randomhandclaps

TheGuitarWeasel said:

Commenting on the poor workmanship and insane concept of these 'creations' is, to my mind, totally different to launching personal derision in his general direction. I remain convinced that Warning the guitar buying public that these instruments are in no way worth what is being charged for them is a service.
However, some of the posts here and on the other thread have gone too far for my comfort too. His personal life ... even should he chose to make it uncomfortably public ... is his own, and I think we should respect that.

 

In complete agreement with everything @TheGuitarWeasel has put.  As I said in the other thread I do think the guy is misleading inexperienced buyers and in any other arena we would not hesitate to call it a rip off. 

As for the personal stuff, it becomes a bit complex.  I don't agree personal comments are constructive.  There is enough here to criticise workmanship wise without ever straying in to personal, even if ever so publicised, info.  However the whole forum becomes laden with 'personal jokes' at the expense of other people who forumites deem as wrong doers.  Mention the latest X-Factor winner and somebody will call him a wanker or makes some personal slight about him.  Bring up the story of Music Ground and the world and his wife condemn them as cunts - it's not always a case of sticking to the business or crimes in hand.  Take a look back to any thread that mentions Justin Bieber.

That said, with the guy concerned it depends how you view him.  Does anyone think he is being fair in the info he is giving or the prices he is charging?  Who is likely to fall for this?  Would you be comfortable buying from him?  If his techniques are so brilliant and revolutionary then why don't you already own one?  Why aren't other luthiers using these techniques?  Where are the threads praising his work?  Do you believe any member of the forum would be buying from this guy and if not why do you say that is?

Personally I feel someone like himself is a massive ditch in the road waiting for the naïve to fall in to.  He clearly targets beginners.  To some beginners (especially youngsters) getting overcharged for an abortion of an instrument may be just a tough lesson, for others it may be the end of a dream.  When I think back to both how tight money was when I was young and how important the guitar was to me people like this do concern me. 

In this case I don't see how you can expect him to be treated any differently to any other pantomime type villain whose name appears on this forums.

 

redrighthand

TheGuitarWeasel;97446" said:

There is however an aspect where the man'scowboy attitude is ripping the public off ... and nobody would want that... therefore I think that simply closing, locking or erasing the thread would also be counterproductive.

Not sure I even agree with this. You might strongly object to his pricing (I wouldn't buy one myself) but I can think of worse examples on eBay, and there has to be some degree of caveat emptor. It's not like he's selling fake Gibsons FFS - he's fairly straight (surprisingly so at times) about the evolution of the guitars.