New MESA amp- TC50

rsvmark

just found this:



Q1: How much in UK?
Q2: How much does it weigh?

but through headphones it sounds epic imho and looks full of features.....

stickyfiddle

The answer to both your questions is ten hundred million pounds. 

richardhomer

There's already a thread on this.

The UK price is more money, than the most money, you could ever imagine, ever, in the history of money....

ICBM

Mesa Triple Crown

So named because it weighs and costs as much as this little lot…

http://stories-of-london.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Crown-Jewels-UK-Collage1.jpg

John_A

It may be expensive but Mesa do make some lovely gear

BintyTwanger77

The combo is listed at £2750 in GuitarGuitar.

ThePrettyDamned

BintyTwanger77 said:

The combo is listed at £2750 in GuitarGuitar.

Farkin' ell! 

rsvmark

stickyfiddle said:

The answer to both your questions is ten hundred million pounds. 

£2500 for the head at Andertons, so not far off! 

Cor blimey guv, similar price to the full fat Mark V....

Chester

Wait a year 'till they show up for sale used ... can't go wrong 

Loobs

I'm sure this is about to really revolutionise the amplifier world.

Moltisanti

it does sound very good on the demo.
It's also a full £1000 cheaper in the US than the UK - i don;t care how you add it up, that is ridiculous.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TripleCH

Dave_Mc

^ So it's (much) less in dollars than it is in pounds?

Can't say I didn't suspect as much, but as you said, that's taking the piss. I don't expect it to be as cheap as in the USA, but I expect the upcharge to be reasonable, at the same time.

Moltisanti

i've heard all the arguments about VAT, shipping, exchange rates etc but there isn't such a vast markup on Friedman which is a completely comparable product in terms of production.

professorben

Moltisanti said:

i've heard all the arguments about VAT, shipping, exchange rates etc but there isn't such a vast markup on Friedman which is a completely comparable product in terms of production.

It's all of the above, shipping, exchange rates, VAT, cost to adapt to U.K. voltage, and dist mark up. 

I did a import duty calculator just as a for instance to see what came out. 
I used retail as obviously I'm not sure what the trade would be. 

£1017 gbp trade value assuming 30% lift from us retail and currency conversion to gbp
£1362 after import duty
£100 shipping estimated 

so that leave £980 roughly to make ready for U.K. power, dist mark up, and retailer mark up. 

Lets assume £200? worth of labour and parts to make it Uk compatable, leaving £780 for the dist and retailer.
£390 each in profit where as a standard 30% lift would be nearer £750 on £2450. 


if anyone wants me to have a stab at the NHS budget I'll have a go. 

professorben

Moltisanti said:

i've heard all the arguments about VAT, shipping, exchange rates etc but there isn't such a vast markup on Friedman which is a completely comparable product in terms of production.

Don't Friedman just deal direct with the shops? 

Cirrus

professorben said:

Lets assume £200? worth of labour and parts to make it Uk compatable, leaving £780 for the dist and retailer.
£390 each in profit where as a standard 30% lift would be nearer £750 on £2450. 

In principle I like your post and would fight and die for you. But what do you think they need to do to make it UK compatable? It'll be given a 230-volt power transformer during manufacture by Mesa before they ship it over for the European market, it's not like the distributer needs to do anything to the amps they get in boxes other than send them to shops.

ICBM

I very much doubt shipping cost will be anything like £100 either - that would be about the cost for shipping one amp privately. Mesa will send over a container of them at commercial rates.

The comparison is not just with Friedman - almost every other major US brand marks up their products far less in the UK. Mesa is one of the worst for overcharging. One of the giveaways is that they're very restrictive and extremely expensive for a replacement 240V power transformer, in order to stop people 'grey importing'. If the markup wasn't so excessive it would not be cheaper to import an amp privately anyway.

FreddieVanHalen

ICBM said:

One of the giveaways is that they're very restrictive and extremely expensive for a replacement 240V power transformer..

I've long thought this was anti-competitive and I no longer buy Mesa amps new because of these tactics.

The new prices are nothing short of a blatant rip off in the UK.

professorben

Cirrus said:

professorben said:

Lets assume £200? worth of labour and parts to make it Uk compatable, leaving £780 for the dist and retailer.
£390 each in profit where as a standard 30% lift would be nearer £750 on £2450. 

In principle I like your post and would fight and die for you. But what do you think they need to do to make it UK compatable? It'll be given a 230-volt power transformer during manufacture by Mesa before they ship it over for the European market, it's not like the distributer needs to do anything to the amps they get in boxes other than send them to shops.

lol cheers dude, I perhaps didn't lay it out that well, I meant the modifications in the factory, of which Mesa will charge us through the nose for. 

Cirrus

Even at Mesa, It's just a worker on the production line picks a transformer out of box A for a US market amp, and box B for a Europe market amp. There's no extra work involved.

The bugger of it is, that video in the OP makes me think it's gonna be a really cool amp.

ICBM

professorben said:

lol cheers dude, I perhaps didn't lay it out that well, I meant the modifications in the factory, of which Mesa will charge us through the nose for. 

There are no modifications in the factory. Export models are built with the export power transformer from the start as Cirrus says. There is almost certainly no difference in the cost of the transformer, since the export version is not multi-voltage either.

This is in contrast to Fender who *do* use a more expensive, multi-voltage transformer for the export models, but still aren't marked up anything like as much here.