Compassionate Britain

jellyroll

Perhaps there is more to this story than is being reported but based on the facts as described, this is awful...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years

quarky

Rules are rules. All countries have them, and if you make exceptions for someone because she is a woman, or a grandmother, or has kids, or is married, or has a job, or whatever, it becomes a slippery slope. 

Must be heart-breaking for her and her family though. I suspect as you said, there must be a bit more too it?

jellyroll

The rule is absurd.

quarky

Which rule? The rule that says who can and can't legally stay in the country?

boogieman

Must be very hard for them. As said, we probably aren't hearing everything but reading between the lines, the wife must have spent an awful lot of time out of the UK to fall so foul of the immigration system. I'm no lawyer but it doesn't sound like she's made any attempt to become naturalised or taken up dual nationality either, maybe that would have resolved the issue? 

MrBump

quarky said:

Which rule? The rule that says who can and can't legally stay in the country?

My brief reading of it was more that the rules were broken because she left the country for a period to care for ill relatives.  Seems like a harsh rule, given the life she'd established in the UK.

fields5069

So, once your residency is established, you are still treated differently to a native and are less free.

A second-class citizen.

jellyroll

And the person who took the decision to apply it is either a moron or a c*nt or both.

quarky

It depends how long she spent out of the country. That appears to be missing funnily enough.

jellyroll

quarky said:

Which rule? The rule that says who can and can't legally stay in the country?

Are you suggesting that because it is sensible to have a law governing immigration the detail of that law must therefore be sensible in whatever form it exists?

boogieman

jellyroll said:

And the person who took the decision to apply it is either a moron or a c*nt or both.

Or maybe neither, seeing as we don't know all the facts. 

JezWynd

This is the paper that told us that Trump was a loser - constantly, throughout the campaign. I'm still a subscriber but I'm disappointed in how partisan and selective its reporting has become. It's not alone in that though, the move on-line has seen a shocking decline in journalistic standards across the board. (God, I'm starting to sound like*rump!).

Sambostar

Probably go straight to the US, it's completely ridiculous.  Same with that married couple where one was an aussie but they didn't have the necessary tens of thousands in funds, meanwhile four million unskilled cousins come over here for free, I really don't get it.  I voted out of the EU so the government could focus on this shit and would be acccountable to the public, seems like they still have no sense.

But then it is a headline....in the Guardian of all papers.

57Deluxe

soon be more absurdity as those ISIS start to return and claim their £millions for their Human Rights...

jellyroll

boogieman said:

jellyroll said:

And the person who took the decision to apply it is either a moron or a c*nt or both.

Or maybe neither, seeing as we don't know all the facts. 

True. I'm reacting to the facts as presented. But I agree, it could be fake news.

boogieman

jellyroll said:

boogieman said:

jellyroll said:

And the person who took the decision to apply it is either a moron or a c*nt or both.

Or maybe neither, seeing as we don't know all the facts. 

True. I'm reacting to the facts as presented. But I agree, it could be fake news.

I'm not saying it's fake, just selective use of the facts by the Grauniad. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, as they say. People don't just get thrown out of the UK for no reason, the legal and appeal system here is too robust for that; there's obviously more to the story than has been reported. 

Dominic

We haven't got room to spare for dangerous liberty takers like this woman who has established family here
............We urgently need the space for ISIS repatriates and dubious Syrian Man-boys who have been "orphaned "

jellyroll

boogieman said:

 

I'm not saying it's fake, just selective use of the facts by the Grauniad. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, as they say. People don't just get thrown out of the UK for no reason, the legal and appeal system here is too robust for that; there's obviously more to the story than has been reported. 

Yes, and I alluded to that in my opening post. Or perhaps this is the real story and we just can't believe the truth so we assume that "there must be more to it."

Heartfeltdawn

Sambostar said:

Probably go straight to the US, it's completely ridiculous.  Same with that married couple where one was an aussie but they didn't have the necessary tens of thousands in funds, meanwhile four million unskilled cousins come over here for free, I really don't get it.  I voted out of the EU so the government could focus on this shit and would be acccountable to the public, seems like they still have no sense.

But then it is a headline....in the Guardian of all papers.

Then read the Sun's version of events instead. Look at how they're on her side as much as the Graun is. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2782713/immigration-officials-prepare-to-throw-nan-out-of-the-country-after-27-years-despite-because-she-spent-too-long-with-dying-parents/

Ravenous

The BBC version (if you dig around a bit through past stories) gives a bit more background.  Just saying.

boogieman

jellyroll said:

boogieman said:

 

I'm not saying it's fake, just selective use of the facts by the Grauniad. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, as they say. People don't just get thrown out of the UK for no reason, the legal and appeal system here is too robust for that; there's obviously more to the story than has been reported. 

Yes, and I alluded to that in my opening post. Or perhaps this is the real story and we just can't believe the truth so we assume that "there must be more to it."

Yup, it'd be interesting to hear the whole story. I certainly don't think we are hearing everything here. 

 I've had (admittedly very limited) experience of the immigration services via an acquaintance. It seems very hard to actually get deported without going through a whole raft of hearings, appeal processes and legal shenanigans, and I'm talking years here. I'd be surprised if this couple haven't already been through and exhausted that process, so they would have known it was coming eventually. The whole "I was chucked out on a Sunday so couldn't get in touch with legal representation " was either planned deliberately by the authorities or possibly sexed up by the paper. Both options are pretty obnoxious tbh.