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search google for hours per week:
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1225406
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so 8 hours is the min, 9 to 12 seems common. Certainly tech subjects use more. This is reflecting in international fees for these courses relative to humanities degrees
there's plenty of people who have post grad degrees who would happily tutor for £40 an hour
AFAIK there are ones who will also write your dissertation
Profs on £100k, head of the smallest unis on £290k
An absolutely disgraceful ripoff
I think maths is about 12 hours + 3 hours tutorials
If you factor in how much work goes into being a Prof?
Bsc-3yrs
Msc-1yr
Phs-3yrs
Prof then comes after enough contributions to the field - many more yrs...
I have no objection at all to the money they are on, as the ones I know are amongst the smartest people I have ever met, who are dedicating their life to advancements in their field.
All this to teach students who want a get rich quick scheme so they don't have to work for most their life. Yep, we love our jobs.
However, I don't actually have an agenda. Honestly, I hated paying for my Degree and I have massive sympathy for anyone nowadays who has to pay even more. I struggle however to place the blame on the Uni's. I'm honestly only posting to give some opinion from the other side.
there's little altruism visible in professors I have worked with, it's a good job, highly respected and well paid. Consultancy work can add massively to the total earned in subjects that are in demand
I also worked with several profs who were piss-poor and not very bright, and should never had been given a senior lecturer role
Food for thought, is that some (maybe most) Unis make much more money from research and grants than they do from undergrads. Although, that was pre brexit. Someone I know, just secure a 2.something mil grant for a lot of studies. That equates to yearssss worth of students, and that was just one member of staff.
Fair enough on the salary though, that is high. But my personal opinion is that if you are capable of getting a prof job at top of scale, you deserve a good wedge.
The government decision to waive unpaid student loan balances is, at best, questionable. It just builds up a future tax burden for the generation currently attending university courses and for whom highly rewarding employment does not exist.
Many universities rent their buildings etc...
Research is an odd one as it often times makes money...
Then on top of that many students will never pay back their loans. Until they're earning £21,000 a year they don't pay a penny and then they pay 9% on the money over £21,000 (so at £25,000 a year they pay just £360 a year).
University is expensive, but consider that student debt for three year degree here can be cheaper than a single year in the US - where on completion they must instantly begin paying back at maybe $1000 a month - don't pay and debt collectors turn up...
https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/providers/finances
the graph here says that Unis make 3 times as much from fees than from research
the Brexit issue is a very popular hobbyhorse amongst Uni researchers, but lots of reading on this last year revealed that the percentage of research funding awarded by the EU is very small, and that non-EU countries are involved in many of the projects anyway (e.g. Switzerland and Turkey)
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/uk-research-and-european-union/role-of-EU-in-funding-UK-research/how-does-eu-funding-compare-with-uk/
"EU research funding through Framework Programme 7 represented 3% of UK expenditure on research and development between 2007 and 2013"
https://fullfact.org/education/how-much-money-do-british-universities-get-eu/
"Research grants from 'EU sources' was 2.6% of universities' total income in 2013/14, according to the Higher Education Statistics Agency."
I would expect that the Uk govt could divert the fraction of the saved EU contributions to help the Unis if they wish
It's not repaid? By the students or the taxpayer? So who loses out?
the loan mechanism is weird, if you take a useless degree and get a crap job, you pay nothing back - what is the point of that?
Lecturers salaries: https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/higher-education-lecturer
- Starting salaries for higher education (HE) lecturers range from around £33,943 to £41,709.
- At senior lecturer level, you'll typically earn between £41,709 and £55,998.
- Salaries at professorial level can range from around £54,637 up to in excess of £107,244, depending on your level experience and managerial responsibility.
so, if you are getting 8 hours a week lectures, you are paying £38 an hour for them, which is the rate you pay for a ticket to see a top-name artist in an arena (i.e. £100 for 2.5 hours), yet the person giving the lecture, often to a large audience, is getting an ordinary professional salary of £40k to £55k, which is about £35 an hourcan you see my point? you're paying rock concert prices to attend a lecture where the presenter is paid the same as a plumber
Imagine you went to a local pub to see a local band, and they asked you for £100 to get in, this is the equivalent scenario: yes the band needs to practice and acquire gear outside that 2.5 hours, the pub needs to pay for bills, but you would laugh if you were asked to pay £100 for a ticket
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
So when you said "no" when I suggested it was the taxpayer who paid it you meant "yes".
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
The budget runs at a deficit so nothing is being paid off - and there is an argument to say that it never has to as long as we are happy to pay the cost of borrowing.
But, as things stand, every pound of student debt that gets written off has to be funded by the taxpayer - which is like a halfway house between making students responsible for their debt and the old system where the taxpayer footed the whole bill.
Too many people go to university. 50% of the job market does not need graduates . Plumbers amd sparks earn more than teachers anyway