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Closest Gibson at least £100 more with fewer features. Made in USA/wherever is commendable but if your competition is covering more bases than you are in the area your brands best known for then its time to evolve.
I'd buy that PRS over any of the "low end" Gibsons any day.
You disagree with how a company is being run so systematically sabotage it from the inside?
Wow.
Gibson really need to slim down the acquisitions, look at producing something similar to the SE outside the US.
How long will it buy them? Not sure, in 20 years or so the younger players might not have the same attachment to Gibson that we do at this time. Look at what Tosin Abasi is doing with his guitars, looking forward rather than just looking back, then forward, then sideways etc etc. Gibsons target market is growing older, they need something to appeal to the next generation
Name snobbery has been completely negated by PRS SEs having the name and the birds.
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Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after youI think i'm probably in their target market for their CS line guitars.
I've not played a Gibson for 30+ years as I've used PRS however many of my heroes and influences played Gibson and I would love to buy one now simply because of that.
I've been looking at R8s and R9s over the past few weeks and everyone I've tried at a dealers has had an issue of some sort. Now mostly these issues have been minor but it just puts me off. Its just a lack of attention to detail. As an example I played a new R8 yesterday and the neck pickup ring had been mounted out of alignment on the top so there was a significant gap between the pickup ring and the end of the fingerboard. If they can't pay attention to simple details like this what else don't they pay attention to in the build of their guitars and running their business in general.
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Gibson neck joints...
http://www.pisotones.com/Elias/LP-Custom/Tenons.jpg
The top one is a Standard, the bottom one is a Historic. (The middle one is an illustration to show the length of a transitional tenon.) These are Gibson's own photos from a few years back! Even the Historic doesn't really fit properly. The curved surfaces and gaps are to allow for "adjustment" and still have the fingerboard and the outer heel joint appear tight to the body.
Why they want to do this, in the days when CNC can produce perfectly-fitting joints with no "adjustment" needed, I have no idea.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
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"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
I think this is where they went wrong..
Posted June 2015
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2015/06/16/gibson-guitars-40-million-11-year-tech-gamble/#75a40f3d1235
Gibson Guitars' $40 Million, 11 Year Tech Gamble
Sometimes a brand has so much history on their side it can begin to hurt them. While nobody wants to let go of a legacy, clutching too tightly could quickly give the appearance of being outdated, and that’s the easiest way to turn the up-and-coming millennial demographic off.
Gibson guitars, the legendary crafters of some of the finest instruments to ever create rock and roll (including the iconic Les Paul), is having just such a problem. An aficionado might tell you that plenty has changed over the years in the world of guitars, but much of it is cosmetic. The company’s CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, was very open about how little his company’s core product has evolved, especially when compared to music itself, which seems to go in a million new directions every day.
“The industry hasn’t changed in 50 years. That’s a lifetime!”
In order to move forward, innovations had to be made, and $40 million and 11 years later, a “major” change is here.
From 2015 onwards, all Gibson guitars will come equipped with what is perhaps the smartest tuning meter (what most people would call a tuner) ever created. Positioned on the outside of the instrument near the head, the new device only needs a few seconds to perfectly tune the strings on the guitar, which makes it something of a small revolution.
While they were originally planning on altering the inside of their instruments, adding all kinds of tech into the interiors of guitars, their research showed them that true fans simply would not have it. Not only could it slightly alter the music, but people were worried it would become outdated (as tech seems to at a rapidly increasing rate), thus making their expensive purchases equally as outdated. The company settled, placing the new feature on the exterior, which plenty in the industry (and what seems like guitar enthusiasts everywhere) still think of as sacrilegious.
So, why did it cost so much? Well, there was the years of research and development that went into creating what may very well be the world’s most sophisticated tuning meter. In fact, even after the meter had been created, the company had to spend time working on an entirely new manufacturing process, as the system they were using could not produce enough of these smart tuners in a timely manner. The production is more precise and unlike anything Gibson has done before, but then again this entire step is unlike the brand best known for maintaining their place in history.
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