Who's on a diet?

mike_l

Emp_Fab said:

Does it help if I tell you I'm halfway through a packet of Fox's Choc Fudge Crunch Creams with a huge mug of tea ?

I'm weak....  I will pay for this with my waistline....  but Ohhhhhhhhhhh sooooooo goooooooooooooooooooood !

Yes, that's helps a lot.

I did get some of those biscuits to have at work, but the girls found them and then I had none. :-(

I don't mind as the ladies in question have been brilliantly supportive of me whilst I've been ill :-)

I can still drink tea. My teabucket take roughly 1 pint, I have (normally) 5 of these a day...... :-0

snakemanStoo

Emp_Fab said:

Does it help if I tell you I'm halfway through a packet of Fox's Choc Fudge Crunch Creams with a huge mug of tea ?

I'm weak....  I will pay for this with my waistline....  but Ohhhhhhhhhhh sooooooo goooooooooooooooooooood !

1 minute on the lips, a lifetime on the hips  >:)

Emp_Fab

octatonic said:

Why not have two, which will have no real impact on your health, rather than an entire packet, which will?

NOW you tell me !

I gave the dog two, and scoffed the rest.  I feel awful now.  I was proud of myself for losing 2.4 kg and now I've probably undone a good chunk of that with... let me look at the packet... 632 calories, 50g sugar, 31g fat of which 17.6g is saturates (HOLY SHIT !) and 1.12g salt.

I'm going to have to eat vegetarian vegetables for the rest of the week now.

monquixote

octatonic said:

Yes it is the same with any diet.

Water weight loss can vary greatly- my brother just had a gastric bypass (he is morbidly obese) and he lost 18kg in the first week.

Well done on the progress so far.

Seriously consider the Venuto book- it is very good and deals with the psychological issue of maintenance after weight loss, which is where most people fail.

Losing weight is pretty easy.

Keeping it off for a decade is the real work and Venuto explains a very good approach for doing that.

Cheers for the link I might give it a look. 

I've been reading a few books @ChristophEar sent me. One of them (I can't remember which) made the point that actually all diets work because fundamentally they involve reducing your intake below your burn rate and the "best" diet is simply the one that you are likely to stick to. 

That's what I like about doing Lean Gains it's actually made my life easier and I can imagine staying on it for as long as I feel I want to. 

I lost about 4 stone in 03 and it's taken me 10 years to put it back on. The thing that irritates me is how broken BMI is if you are reasonably tall I'm 6' 2'' and fairly solidly built even when I've been really fit I was still supposedly borderline overweight and when I dropped to closer to my ideal BMI after getting food poisoning people just said I looked really gaunt.

holnrew

Once I open a packet of biscuits/crisps/sweets/chocolate/bad food I don't stop eating until it's gone, no matter how full/sick I feel...

ChristophEar

monquixote said:

 the "best" diet is simply the one that you are likely to stick to. 

This, and the notion that every body is different, are probably the two biggest lessons I've ever learned when it comes to diet.

octatonic

Emp_Fab said:

octatonic said:

Why not have two, which will have no real impact on your health, rather than an entire packet, which will?

NOW you tell me !

I gave the dog two, and scoffed the rest.  I feel awful now.  I was proud of myself for losing 2.4 kg and now I've probably undone a good chunk of that with... let me look at the packet... 632 calories, 50g sugar, 31g fat of which 17.6g is saturates (HOLY SHIT !) and 1.12g salt.

I'm going to have to eat vegetarian vegetables for the rest of the week now.

You gave your dog chocolate?

Read this, then slap yourself on the dick with a wooden spoon.

or a metal one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning

Well done on losing 2.4kg.

600 calories wont impact you in any real way.

It will if you over-eat by 300 calories day in, day out though.

300 calories (or one chocolate bar) every day over your maintenance calories = 2100 calories a week.

That is about 100,000 calories a year.

Which is equal to 31lbs of fat on your body.

A single meal or incident isn't going to impact you at all.

What impacts you is continuous and sustained over-eating, even mild over-eating.

Solution: eating less and exercising more.

And patience.

It is a marathon, not a sprint.

Emp_Fab

octatonic said:

You gave your dog chocolate?  Read this, then slap yourself on the dick with a wooden spoon.

I very much doubt there's a great deal of chocolate in Fox's crunch creams. I only let him have the biscuit part, not the filling. Normally I never give him chocolate, but I figured a couple of biscuity bases wouldn't hurt as a one-off.

Emp_Fab

Oooh... you've got me worried now.

According to this page:- http://foodinfo.us/SourcesUnabridged.aspx?Nutr_No=263  Chocolate-cream type biscuits contain roughly 430mg of thiobromine per 100g.  On that basis, I reckon he's probably consumed about 30g of biscuit (minus the cream), so that would give him roughly 130mg of thiobromine (if he'd had the cream as well).  This page says that toxicity starts around 100-150mg / Kg body weight.  He's 11 Kg, so, that would mean I'd have to give him 1,100mg - 1,500mg of thiobromine to cause a toxic reaction.  So, my reckoning is that he's had about a tenth of the quantity that would start giving him trouble.  I think I'm fairly safe with that and don't need to rush him down the vets.  Still... I won't give it to him again.

monquixote

Emp_Fab said:

Oooh... you've got me worried now.

According to this page:- http://foodinfo.us/SourcesUnabridged.aspx?Nutr_No=263  Chocolate-cream type biscuits contain roughly 430mg of thiobromine per 100g.  On that basis, I reckon he's probably consumed about 30g of biscuit (minus the cream), so that would give him roughly 130mg of thiobromine (if he'd had the cream as well).  This page says that toxicity starts around 100-150mg / Kg body weight.  He's 11 Kg, so, that would mean I'd have to give him 1,100mg - 1,500mg of thiobromine to cause a toxic reaction.  So, my reckoning is that he's had about a tenth of the quantity that would start giving him trouble.  I think I'm fairly safe with that and don't need to rush him down the vets.  Still... I won't give it to him again.

I think you will be fine if you don't do it regularly. it's usually when the dog gets into a family sized bar of Dairy Milk or finds where you've hidden the Easter Eggs that you end up with a very sick dog. 

octatonic

Emp_Fab said:

Oooh... you've got me worried now.

According to this page:- http://foodinfo.us/SourcesUnabridged.aspx?Nutr_No=263  Chocolate-cream type biscuits contain roughly 430mg of thiobromine per 100g.  On that basis, I reckon he's probably consumed about 30g of biscuit (minus the cream), so that would give him roughly 130mg of thiobromine (if he'd had the cream as well).  This page says that toxicity starts around 100-150mg / Kg body weight.  He's 11 Kg, so, that would mean I'd have to give him 1,100mg - 1,500mg of thiobromine to cause a toxic reaction.  So, my reckoning is that he's had about a tenth of the quantity that would start giving him trouble.  I think I'm fairly safe with that and don't need to rush him down the vets.  Still... I won't give it to him again.

Yes, dogs are very sensitive to thiobromine.

Glad he is ok- just keep an eye on him for the next 24 hours.

bertie

if you want to give your dog "human"  (ie non dog) choc  -  give em cheap white chocolate - there's fuck all choc in it.

our dogs have never gone for dog choc, and they've all been fine on a 'couple' of squares of tescos home brew.

All our dogs have eaten normal choc before,   infact Daisy once eat a whole box of guillian (sp?) shells.........all she got was hideous runs for 24 hours.

Most dogs can get away with eating a bit of milk choc.  Its plain choc you need to be wary off

mike_l

My mate used to give his dog (sadly no longer with us, she was 16 though) a small box of Smarties, still in the box.

 

The dog, Misty, would open the box, pretty much without destroying the box, and eat the few Smarties in it. This was an occasional rather than an often treat......