Split from the GuitarTheft thread

TTony

This discussion was created from comments split from: Guitar theft couple - update.


Let's try this.

Rather than derailing the original thread (again and/or even further), splinter discussions moved here.

clarkefan

TTony said:

Admin intervention.

I've just wasted 5mins of my Sunday evening clearing up a load of stupid comments here.

@shefguitar is in the cooler.

Anyone else wants to add more stupidity here, they'll join him.

@TTony I appreciate this is a burden on your time, but, you're the owner and I'd like to understand why the comment below hasn't been addressed with your sanctions? The member concerned has posted repeatedly after my querying his intentions and has not addressed it.

The bigger question in my mind is whether or not casual racism is permitted on this forum.

I would be grateful if you would review this post:

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Dominic said:

and I feel so humbled by having dared to suggest that the woman looked Roma ..........seems to have upset one chap
Oh ,look it's snowing today

TTony

clarkefan said:

@TTony I appreciate this is a burden on your time, but, you're the owner and I'd like to understand why the comment below hasn't been addressed with your sanctions? The member concerned has posted repeatedly after my querying his intentions and has not addressed it.

The bigger question in my mind is whether or not casual racism is permitted on this forum.

I would be grateful if you would review this post:

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Dominic said:

and I feel so humbled by having dared to suggest that the woman looked Roma ..........seems to have upset one chap
Oh ,look it's snowing today

@clarkefan
How is what Dominic has written "racist"?

AlexC

Ok - I’m partly to blame for this kicking off. Apologies for that. I should have kept my mouth shut and not bought wider social issues into a thread about shop lifting and it’s effects on the music trade. What we think and what we say (write) are obviously two different things. Lesson learnt. Again - no offence to anyone intended.

meltedbuzzbox

clarkefan said:

TTony said:

Admin intervention.

I've just wasted 5mins of my Sunday evening clearing up a load of stupid comments here.

@shefguitar is in the cooler.

Anyone else wants to add more stupidity here, they'll join him.

@TTony I appreciate this is a burden on your time, but, you're the owner and I'd like to understand why the comment below hasn't been addressed with your sanctions? The member concerned has posted repeatedly after my querying his intentions and has not addressed it.

The bigger question in my mind is whether or not casual racism is permitted on this forum.

I would be grateful if you would review this post:

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Dominic said:

and I feel so humbled by having dared to suggest that the woman looked Roma ..........seems to have upset one chap
Oh ,look it's snowing today

Why? Just on so many levels. 
You are looking for something that just isn't there.
Let it go

VimFuego

I think, in this day and age, where communication is done remotely it can hard to accurately decipher clear meaning it can be hard to ascertain what is offensive and what isn't (or at least, isn't intended to be) therefore, to be sure and certain I always knee jerk take offense as a first reaction.
Therefore, I am offended by this thread, and by all the comments it contains, including those from people who are claiming to be offended. 

Fretwired

VimFuego said:

I think, in this day and age, where communication is done remotely it can hard to accurately decipher clear meaning it can be hard to ascertain what is offensive and what isn't (or at least, isn't intended to be) therefore, to be sure and certain I always knee jerk take offense as a first reaction.
Therefore, I am offended by this thread, and by all the comments it contains, including those from people who are claiming to be offended. 

Ah it's you. You are a repeat offender.

Next time be more open and try a gate rather than taking offence.

mikem8634

The first thread on this topic featured this from @Dominic -

"You only have to look at the woman to see where that's going unless it gets sold in Germany on the way which I would think is most likely"

In the second thread (as quoted above by @clarkefan ) he tried to put a more benign spin on it.

That is casual racism - using a guess about a person's race to claim that a fact can be drawn from it about their behaviour.

A fair few posters seem to think that is okay. I don't. It doesn't offend me, I would just rather live in a society that had less ignorance, irrationality and prejudice and, therefore, when I see it I take some action against it.

Funkfingers

TTony said:

How is what Dominic has written "racist"?

Describing the appearance of somebody is not racist.

Basing assumptions about people solely on their appearance can be racist. 

Dominic's words read like, "one of the perps looks Roma, no surprise that somebody of that persuasion is on the rob." 

chillidoggy

Whatever else they may be, they're both still thieving scumbag fuck-pigs.

TTony

Funkfingers said:

TTony said:

How is what Dominic has written "racist"?

Describing the appearance of somebody is not racist.

Agreed.

Funkfingers said:

TTony said:

How is what Dominic has written "racist"?

Basing assumptions about people solely on their appearance can be racist. 

Agreed  - can be.

Funkfingers said:

Dominic's words read like, "one of the perps looks Roma, no surprise that somebody of that persuasion is on the rob." 

But, the specific words quoted were;

clarkefan said:

The bigger question in my mind is whether or not casual racism is permitted on this forum.

I would be grateful if you would review this post:

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Dominic said:

and I feel so humbled by having dared to suggest that the woman looked Roma ..........seems to have upset one chap
Oh ,look it's snowing today

He asked me to  review that post for casual racism.

There is nothing racist in that quote.  

VimFuego

I've found that any statement can be racist, you just have to add enough extra words. 

octatonic

VimFuego said:

I've found that any statement can be racist, you just have to add enough extra words. 

Let's test that theory:

mellowsun

Of the two thieves, it's interesting that the focus has been on the woman's ethnicity but nothing about the bloke (white, looks like an Eastender). Why is that?

digitalscream

mellowsun said:

Of the two thieves, it's interesting that the focus has been on the woman's ethnicity but nothing about the bloke (white, looks like an Eastender). Why is that?

Why is it "interesting"? Her features seem to be more indicative of ethnicity, whereas he looks more "generic European".

mellowsun

digitalscream said:

mellowsun said:

Of the two thieves, it's interesting that the focus has been on the woman's ethnicity but nothing about the bloke (white, looks like an Eastender). Why is that?

Why is it "interesting"? Her features seem to be more indicative of ethnicity, whereas he looks more "generic European".

generic European is an ethnicity too. 

'She looks Roma' well, 'He looks generic European' - what's the point?

digitalscream

mellowsun said:

digitalscream said:

mellowsun said:

Of the two thieves, it's interesting that the focus has been on the woman's ethnicity but nothing about the bloke (white, looks like an Eastender). Why is that?

Why is it "interesting"? Her features seem to be more indicative of ethnicity, whereas he looks more "generic European".

generic European is an ethnicity too. 

'She looks Roma' well, 'He looks generic European' - what's the point?

Descriptions of people you want to find are useless if they apply to the majority of the population, which is why they focus on exceptions or the unusual. Seems pretty obvious to me.

TTony

VimFuego said:

I've found that any statement can be racist, you just have to add enough extra words. 

Sometimes you don't even have to add them, just assume that they're there.

StormshadowGuitars

TTony said:

Funkfingers said:

TTony said:

How is what Dominic has written "racist"?

Describing the appearance of somebody is not racist.

Agreed.

Funkfingers said:

TTony said:

How is what Dominic has written "racist"?

Basing assumptions about people solely on their appearance can be racist. 

Agreed  - can be.

Funkfingers said:

Dominic's words read like, "one of the perps looks Roma, no surprise that somebody of that persuasion is on the rob." 

But, the specific words quoted were;

clarkefan said:

The bigger question in my mind is whether or not casual racism is permitted on this forum.

I would be grateful if you would review this post:

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Dominic said:

and I feel so humbled by having dared to suggest that the woman looked Roma ..........seems to have upset one chap
Oh ,look it's snowing today

He asked me to  review that post for casual racism.

There is nothing racist in that quote.  

Well done @TTony for adding some much needed common sense into that debate 

57Deluxe

Where do you think they will try to sell the guitar?

JerkMoans

57Deluxe said:

Where do you think they will try to sell the guitar?

Surprised it hasn't popped up 17 times on eBay, all emanating from that chap in Newark nostalgically recalling his dearly departed old grandpa giving it a good twang several years before it was actually made.