Did my political compass again this morning

Modellista

Heartfeltdawn said:

Evilmags said:

Left Libertarian is a contradiction in terms, as you cant believe in freedom for some but not for others, it's simply not logical. It also tends to lead to a lot of criminality and corruption (see Spain, Portugal as examples)

What about Right Libertarians who don't believe in freedom of movement then?

^ That is probably technically a contradiction in terms, and perhaps the explanation for that position is - if we lived in a rightish, libertarianish society, freedom of movement would be less of an issue.  But because we have socialised healthcare, education, housing, and financial security, the motives for freedom of movement are distorted to those that would exist in said lib-right society.  Therefore rightists become more authoritarian in practical terms to counteract or limit access to the leftists' social structures.  Just a thought.

equalsql

Mine..  I think that's what I expected.

exocet

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-2.0&soc=-4.26

strtdv

Evilmags said:

Left Libertarian is a contradiction in terms, as you cant believe in freedom for some but not for others, it's simply not logical. It also tends to lead to a lot of criminality and corruption (see Spain, Portugal as examples)

I don't think it's a leap for people who lean economically to the left to still believe that a government shouldn't interfere with your day to day life (eg should I be allowed to make and suffer the consequences of bad decisions), but still believe the government should regulate corporations. 

octatonic

Evilmags said:

Right Authoritarian= Singapore. Wouldnt live their but by far the worlds best run economy.

I do, and it isn't.

Singapore is hugely beneficial if you are already wealthy or very well off but if you are working class (as in asian working class) then you are basically fucked.
Health cover is massively expensive- like the American version of expensive.
There is a saying in Singapore that it is 'better to die than to get sick'.

You do pay a low rate of income tax and GST but everything is overwhelming expensive, so it is somewhat offset by costs- we pay over $10k a month in rent, for example.

Singaporean people tend to shy away from the notion of personal responsibility- they don't take ownership for things and you end up in an endless loop of bureaucracy on a regular basis.

bloodandtears

That was a surprise to me...  I thought I was more right wing than that tbh

Freebird

Why are most left-leaning politicians authoritarian?

octatonic

Freebird said:

Why are most left-leaning politicians authoritarian?

Easy- they aren’t.

ICBM

Freebird said:

Why are most left-leaning politicians authoritarian?

The simple answer is because almost all politicians are inherently authoritarian. They want to be in charge, which is why they become politicians...

But if anything, the opposite is true - the further to the right they are, the more likely they are to be authoritarian than the other way round. There are a few exceptions in the extreme communist bracket, but in general almost all governments are in the right/authoritarian quadrant, and most not far from an axis running from bottom left to top right on the chart.

menamestom

I ticked yes to porn and left the rest blank.

Empty political compass, but strong on the important issues, vote menamestom 

Kilgore

Freebird said:

Why are most left-leaning politicians authoritarian?

Whereas right-leaning politicians are vociferous in the defence of personal liberty.






Unless it's something they don't like.

Samgb

I find the tendency of right-wing libertarians and the notion of 'personal liberty' can be boiled down to two things:

1. I don't want to pay taxes for stuff that i don't think benefits me personally right now
2. I demand the liberty to be a cunt about/to people that aren't like me (i am paraphrasing here but lets be fair - this is what the defence of white male privilege tends to be reduced to) 

I live in BC and out in what you would call the Canadian bible-belt and although Canadians as a whole aren't as extreme as Americans you do get a lot of people with opinions like this. Some of my friends think this way. We have some interesting discussions. And i am not for one second saying that this makes you a bad person. It really doesn't. Although i have a different point of view the older i get the more i find the cognitive differences and the way people respond to the political climate as fascinating as i do infuriating.

I mean, right and left would probably agree that we are all fucked, politics is fucked, capitalism is fucked, globalism is fucked, the planet is fucked (ok some of the right would deny responsibility for this!). The difference is in who is responsible and how you fix it. Similar to the post WW1 period which saw the rise of both fascism and communism in response to inequality and economic disaster. Two extremes coming out of the same problem.

People are weird.     

King85

They represent the top right corner with a caricature of Mussolini, nice person to compare yourself to

darthed1981

https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-7.13&soc=-4.26

Matt_McG

Which is not a surprise. Socially liberal, economically on the left. 

Heartfeltdawn

Modellista said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

Evilmags said:

Left Libertarian is a contradiction in terms, as you cant believe in freedom for some but not for others, it's simply not logical. It also tends to lead to a lot of criminality and corruption (see Spain, Portugal as examples)

What about Right Libertarians who don't believe in freedom of movement then?

^ That is probably technically a contradiction in terms, and perhaps the explanation for that position is - if we lived in a rightish, libertarianish society, freedom of movement would be less of an issue.  But because we have socialised healthcare, education, housing, and financial security, the motives for freedom of movement are distorted to those that would exist in said lib-right society.  Therefore rightists become more authoritarian in practical terms to counteract or limit access to the leftists' social structures.  Just a thought.

This indeed. The two articles I had in mind came from Rothbard and Rockwell: 

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

When freedom is such a dominating factor in libertarianism, rowing back on open borders 'because of socialism' seems very weak. It feels like a get out clause. 

roberty

I am also ensconced bottom left, quite normal for musicians and artists I think