NO LONGER WTB: Cheap 2 x Humbuckers solid body guitar

Amigo

After many years of thinking about wiring options to make humbuckers sound as weird as possible, I thought it was high time to start testing all those ideas. For that purpose I would need a cheap HH guitar, solid body, 4-pot, and lightweight. It does not need to have any pickups fitted, as I would use my own, 4-wire pickups. Anyone has anything like that lying around?

bazxkr

I have a nice condition black Peavey AT200 (the self tune one) that needs the pickup jack wired up... was working fine then the jack fell off
I not got around to looking at it yet (6 months LOL) Would this interest ? What do you call cheap ?
You in Cambs ? Prob too far... RM7 based (Essex)

Amigo

I mean the cheapest I can find I searched for Peavey AT200 and I saw that it only has 2 pots, so I updated the initial post to reflect that I need a 4-pot, for maximum switching possibilities. Sorry I missed mentioning that initially. But thank you for the offer, RM7 could be doable, but I would expect the price would be higher than I'd be looking for, and only 2 pots. One other thing I changed the initial post with is that the guitar need not have pickups.

Amigo

Not exactly double humbucker, but interesting guitar. Anyone heard of the manufacturer or seen/used such guitars?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194388657507

Kittyfrisk

@Amigo  Could you say what you mean by cheap or light?

Amigo

Definitely under £200, preferably around £100. Light as much as possible, so around 7lb tops.

mstill1984

Acepro PRSesque guitar £80, set neck but pretty scraped and scratched, it isheavier than 7 lb though, 8.1lb,  https://imgur.com/a/7xgbUbr, 

mark123

early Vintage V100 ,wilkinson hardware ,upgraded 19:1 ratio wilkinson tuners.
must be around 7lbs in weight
£189.00 delivered
http://imgur.com/a/w8I9Tnh

http://imgur.com/a/lQD20jo

Amigo

mstill1984 said:

Acepro PRSesque guitar £80, set neck but pretty scraped and scratched, it isheavier than 7 lb though, 8.1lb,  https://imgur.com/a/7xgbUbr, 

That doesn't look bad, I could overlook the weight, but as I want to be playing with different switching schemes, only two pots are limiting. But thank you for sharing it with me.

Amigo

mark123 said:

early Vintage V100 ,wilkinson hardware ,upgraded 19:1 ratio wilkinson tuners.
must be around 7lbs in weight
£189.00 delivered
http://imgur.com/a/w8I9Tnh

http://imgur.com/a/lQD20jo

Looks promising, but I would very much like to feel the guitar first, and the distance will be significant. Could I come back to you if I don't find something more local, if you still have it by then?

mark123

Amigo said:

mark123 said:

early Vintage V100 ,wilkinson hardware ,upgraded 19:1 ratio wilkinson tuners.
must be around 7lbs in weight
£189.00 delivered
http://imgur.com/a/w8I9Tnh

http://imgur.com/a/lQD20jo

Looks promising, but I would very much like to feel the guitar first, and the distance will be significant. Could I come back to you if I don't find something more local, if you still have it by then?

No problem but i have it for sale in other places and at the price it is i dont think it will hang around for long .For the price i'm asking you could buy it and if you didnt get on with it sell it and easily get your money back.

Amigo

mark123 said:

No problem but i have it for sale in other places and at the price it is i dont think it will hang around for long .For the price i'm asking you could buy it and if you didnt get on with it sell it and easily get your money back.

I am sure that it would sell, no doubt about it. I am hesitant to enter into a merry-go-round of guitars—been there already—I would still like to feel the guitar before acquiring it, but very good luck with the sale and thanks for the suggestion.

bazxkr

The AT200 would probably work great for you if you rip the antares self tune stuff out. Be room for 6 pots and some kind of quick connect pickup swapper in there

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=YGHXB/tU&id=FC94E1D0FFC098EDF425446BC038992D92C5822B&thid=OIP.YGHXB_tU0F3l7oBJOxHP0AHaE8&mediaurl=https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/default/29028d4/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3456x2304+0+0/resize/1440x960!/quality/90/?url=http:%2F%2Fnewatlas-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Farchive%2Fat-200-review-0.jpg&cdnurl=https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6061d707fb54d05de5ee80493b11cfd0?rik=K4LFki2ZOMBrRA&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&exph=960&expw=1440&q=peavey+at+200+wiring&simid=608026288177683898&FORM=IRPRST&ck=044B765989F33882B1080AB0C3CE900E&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

Amigo

bazxkr said:

The AT200 would probably work great for you if you rip the antares self tune stuff out. Be room for 6 pots and some kind of quick connect pickup swapper in there

That is one strange contraption. Maybe too much for me, as some woodworking would be involved too.

Funkfingers

Amigo said:

After many years of thinking about wiring options to make humbuckers sound as weird as possible, I thought it was high time to start testing all those ideas. 

Allow me to save you time, money and effort.

What you are alluding to is the so-called Jimmy Page wiring (actually used by Schecter Guitar Research before Page ever did). 

Older forumites may recall the same circuit described and illustrated in books by Craig Anderton, Donald Brosnac or Adrian Legg.

The four pot switching system permits all possible permutations of the four coils in a HH guitar. You will find that most of these sound terrible.

Page now uses the Freeway 3X3 six-way toggle selector. This is sufficient to get the handful of sounds worth bothering with.

Amigo

I had looked at the Freeway switches, and I also devised wirings to get that working. I had a guitar wired up Jimmy Page way a while back, based on my own wiring diagrams. My goal here is to evaluate different combinations of coils being connected. For example, my simulations indicated that if a humbucker is used as single coil with the unused coil shorted, there will be a loss of signal magnitude, something I discussed here with @ICBM a while back. I want to test those for myself, maybe even do some testing by generating electromagnetic waves to apply to the coils to do a frequency sweep. I envisage a certain amount of instrumentation, i.e. wires coming out of the guts It will not be a guitar to play, not until after I am done with all the experimentation.

Funkfingers

By all means. 

mstill1984

Amigo said:

mstill1984 said:

Acepro PRSesque guitar £80, set neck but pretty scraped and scratched, it isheavier than 7 lb though, 8.1lb,  https://imgur.com/a/7xgbUbr, 

That doesn't look bad, I could overlook the weight, but as I want to be playing with different switching schemes, only two pots are limiting. But thank you for sharing it with me.

Sorry for some reason I could have sworn it had 4, it does however have quite a large cavity judging on the back plate so imagine adding more pots and switches wouldn't be an issue I can open it up and take some photos for you

Amigo

I had had a look at the photos you sent earlier, and there seems to be room in the cavity for more pots if the electronics is removed, but the distance to the front where the PCB is would involve removing some of the wood, and I am trying to avoid woodwork, for lack of tools or skills.

Amigo

A new item of work cropped up which will take up a lot of my time, so I won't have time to try what I wanted, so sadly no longer looking for a guitar.