metronome for time signature changes

thomasw88

So I'm trying to learn Golden brown on the old keyboard..

In the intro, the  first 3 bars are in 3/4 and then the 4th is 4/4.    That repeats 3 times  Anyone come across an easy way to setup a metronome  either on android/iphone/ or pc  or actual metronome that will let me program that in? 

   I'm aware that I could probably do it in  a daw or something but ijust want something very quick n dirty to do.

Brad

Time Guru does what you’re after, it allows you to combine different time sigs. 

Other than that, you don’t really need any particular settings. Just let the metronome go at tempo and count the bars. 

thomasw88

thanks,
I found an android app metronomodd which does it and is very easy to setup.

Brad

thomasw88 said:

thanks,
I found an android app metronomodd which does it and is very easy to setup.

Happy days  

stickyfiddle

Assuming no tempo changes couldn't you just turn off the "first beat of bar tone" option? 

ArchtopDave

stickyfiddle said:

Assuming no tempo changes couldn't you just turn off the "first beat of bar tone" option? 

This is a nice idea, but unfortunately wrong. With 3/4, you are splitting a Bar up into 3 equal Beats. If you just leave out the first beat of a Bar of 4/4, then you are playing a Rest followed by 3 Beats that are still in 4/4.

Brad

ArchtopDave said:

stickyfiddle said:

Assuming no tempo changes couldn't you just turn off the "first beat of bar tone" option? 

This is a nice idea, but unfortunately wrong. With 3/4, you are splitting a Bar up into 3 equal Beats. If you just leave out the first beat of a Bar of 4/4, then you are playing a Rest followed by 3 Beats that are still in 4/4.

Forgive me for speaking on behalf of @stickyfiddle but I think he means just to turn off the accent on beat one of the bar, so each beat is the same pitch giving a continuous steady stream of beats, rather than removing the beat entirely. 

I think @stickyfiddle and myself were saying the same thing in different ways. 

stickyfiddle

Brad said:

ArchtopDave said:

stickyfiddle said:

Assuming no tempo changes couldn't you just turn off the "first beat of bar tone" option? 

This is a nice idea, but unfortunately wrong. With 3/4, you are splitting a Bar up into 3 equal Beats. If you just leave out the first beat of a Bar of 4/4, then you are playing a Rest followed by 3 Beats that are still in 4/4.

Forgive me for speaking on behalf of @stickyfiddle but I think he means just to turn off the accent on beat one of the bar, so each beat is the same pitch giving a continuous steady stream of beats, rather than removing the beat entirely. 

I think @stickyfiddle and myself were saying the same thing in different ways. 

Yes, I assumed we're talking about a metronome that counts: 

BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep... 

And OP wants BEEP beep beep BEEP  beep beep BEEP  beep beep BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep... 

But you could just have beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep without the different tone indicating the first beat of a bar. I didn't mean to just ignore the first beat  

That reminds me of an old acquaintance who described their band playing in seven.  They'd count in one, two, three, four, five, six, seeee-ven... 

Whistler

Brad said:
I think @stickyfiddle and myself were saying the same thing in different ways. 

I agree, it is the simplest solution, just like using a traditional metronome.

stickyfiddle

Yep - I very nearly added a picture of one of those when I originally posted but was in a hurry so didn't!

thecolourbox

Or set a metronome to 10/4 time Sig?

thomasw88

Mstickyfiddle said:

Brad said:

ArchtopDave said:

stickyfiddle said:

Assuming no tempo changes couldn't you just turn off the "first beat of bar tone" option? 

This is a nice idea, but unfortunately wrong. With 3/4, you are splitting a Bar up into 3 equal Beats. If you just leave out the first beat of a Bar of 4/4, then you are playing a Rest followed by 3 Beats that are still in 4/4.

Forgive me for speaking on behalf of @stickyfiddle but I think he means just to turn off the accent on beat one of the bar, so each beat is the same pitch giving a continuous steady stream of beats, rather than removing the beat entirely. 

I think @stickyfiddle and myself were saying the same thing in different ways. 

Yes, I assumed we're talking about a metronome that counts: 

BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep... 

And OP wants BEEP beep beep BEEP  beep beep BEEP  beep beep BEEP beep beep beep BEEP beep beep beep... 

But you could just have beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep without the different tone indicating the first beat of a bar. I didn't mean to just ignore the first beat  

That reminds me of an old acquaintance who described their band playing in seven.  They'd count in one, two, three, four, five, six, seeee-ven... 

yes that’s what I want. I’m aware of turning off 1st note bar beats but it’s not what I’m after in this case

Nitefly

thecolourbox said:

Or set a metronome to 10/4 time Sig?

I think you mean 13/4 ? 

3 + 3 + 3 + 4

*edit* but that only works for the intro of course - the verse is 3/4 !

*edit again* - or is it 6/8 ???

thecolourbox

Sorry yes I can't add up!

thomasw88

Nitefly said:

thecolourbox said:

Or set a metronome to 10/4 time Sig?

I think you mean 13/4 ? 

3 + 3 + 3 + 4

*edit* but that only works for the intro of course - the verse is 3/4 !

*edit again* - or is it 6/8 ???

3/4  although there are occasional bars of 4/4 throughout the song.

Whistler

I have just had a listen to the Top of The Pops version (on YouTube, here) which must surely be the recorded version. It sounds like it is mostly in 6/8, the structure is like this:

Intro: 1 bar of 6/8 then 1 bar of 7/8 (repeat 4 times)
Pre-verse: 2 bars of 6/8
1st verse: 8 bars of 6/8
Pre-verse: 2 bars of 6/8
2nd verse: 8 bars of 6/8
Intro: 1 bar of 6/8 then 1 bar of 7/8 (repeat 4 times)
Pre-verse: 2 bars of 6/8
3rd verse: 8 bars of 6/8
Intro: 1 bar of 6/8 then 1 bar of 7/8 (repeat 4 times)
Pre-verse: 2 bars of 6/8
Solo: 8 bars of 6/8
Intro: 1 bar of 6/8 then 1 bar of 7/8 (repeat 4 times)
Refrain: 21 bars of 6/8 (fade starts after 14 bars)

It means, @thomasw88 that your metronome needs to be programmed to have the intro with the 4 times alternating 6/8 and 7/8 bars; all other sections are in constant 6/8 time.

thomasw88

I’m looking at the sheet music forTrinity  grade 5 rock n pop keyboard, it only does one of the keyboard parts but the time signature on that is as what I said.  

TheBigDipper

thomasw88 said:

I’m looking at the sheet music forTrinity  grade 5 rock n pop keyboard, it only does one of the keyboard parts but the time signature on that is as what I said.  

IHMO, it feels a bit fast to be in "Waltz time" so I hear it as 6/8 followed by 7/8 with emphasis on the ONE 2 3 FOUR 5 6 ONE 2 3 FOUR 5 6 7.

I took a look a selection of scores for this and most of them are in 6/8, 7/8 except for a "beginners Piano" arrangement I found which was 3/4, 3/4, 3/4, 4/4. So I wonder if they've just changed it to help less experienced musicians count on a bar-by-bar basis to emphasise the ONE every time. Not something I'd expect for Grade 5, though. 

Anyway - METRONOMES. I've got an app on my iPhone called Pro Metronome. It's free, and pretty easy to write in a bar of 13/8 where you put the emphasis on beats 1, 4, 7 and 10. 

Whistler

Now that we know thomasw88's teacher has given him the Trinity transcription then he will probably have to follow that.

thomasw88 said:

I'm aware that I could probably do it in  a daw or something but ijust want something very quick n dirty to do.

I am under the impression that quick 'n' dirty will be a metronome without accented beats. Programming an intelligent metronome app or using a DAW will get you to where you want to be but not quite to instantaneously.

thomasw88

Whistler said:

Now that we know thomasw88's teacher has given him the Trinity transcription then he will probably have to follow that.

thomasw88 said:

I'm aware that I could probably do it in  a daw or something but ijust want something very quick n dirty to do.

I am under the impression that quick 'n' dirty will be a metronome without accented beats. Programming an intelligent metronome app or using a DAW will get you to where you want to be but not quite to instantaneously.

Theres and android app Metromodd which does exactly what I'm looking for.  Very easy to use and setup. 

Whistler

thomasw88 said:

Theres and android app Metromodd which does exactly what I'm looking for.  Very easy to use and setup. 

Metromodd? It may be very easy to use and setup but it seems difficult to find.