5-way switch and a push-pull to make 10 different sounds in a H-H guitar?

Joe123

Hi, friends

I just want to ask about wiring.

 The photo attached in this link :

https://www.linkpicture.com/view.php?img=LPic62848c0038e5f826368827

is from Dimarzio's website and the model is Ibanez SA32 FM. 
That guitar has Ibanez duo switch and duo-bucker Pickup and I think they may have 10 different tones out from that guitar.(please correct me if I am wrong).

Now, my question is, can we do the same wiring scheme using a regular push-pull and also regular such as Dimarzio's or Seymour Duncan Pickups?

I am asking this because I think I need the split-coil mode but I want to retain the usual 5-way switch combination (especially the parallel neck combination).

Thanks.

Joe123

https://www.linkpicture.com/view.php?img=LPic62848c0038e5f826368827

mrkb

ICBM

That gives eight different sounds - the pull-switch does nothing in the front two positions - but it will work with any type of push/pull/other switch, since all it's doing is splitting the bridge pickup.

It will work with any manufacturer's pickups with 4-conductor wiring, but the colour coding may (will!) be different because they can't agree on a common standard...

Sporky

Doesn't the neckmost position switch the neck humbucker between series and parallel? I'm going by the chart, not following the wiring. 

bloodandtears

according to Mark's infographic.. as per ICBMs comments, 3 of those "positions" are identical..

PUSH #4
PULL #4 & #5

stratman3142

As pointed out, that looks like 8 options.

There are 10 sounds on my Ibanez AZ2402, as shown on the Ibanez website (link below)

https://www.ibanez.com/eu/products/detail/az2402_01.html

ICBM

bloodandtears said:

according to Mark's infographic.. as per ICBMs comments, 3 of those "positions" are identical..

PUSH #4
PULL #4 & #5

That’s a mistake in the diagram - all the pull-switch does is split the bridge pickup, so the neck remains series in the front position.

Funkfingers

Ten sounds from a five-way lever and a mode switch normally involves a four-pole Superswitch.

Some USA Fenders had a hybrid switch. Conventional eight terminal wafer handling the traditional five selections. Oak Grigsby style twelve contact wafer sorting out the smartarse series/parallel combinations. S-1 switch flipping between modes … until it failed.

Funkfingers

Joe123 said:
my question is, can we do the same wiring scheme using a regular push-pull and also regular such as Dimarzio or Seymour Duncan Pickups?

Yes, of course. Just make the necessary output conductor insulation colour code conversion to suit your chosen pickup brand.

For me, the real question is, why would you want that particular circuit? Are you hoping to maximise your options or just get the best combinations that HH can offer?

Joe123 said:

I think I need the split-coil mode but I want to retain the usual 5-way switch combination (especially the parallel neck combination).

My anecdotal experience of playing Ibanez and similar shred stick guitars is that the most useful five coil permutations are;

Neck HB coils in series
Neck HB coils in parallel
Both HBs
Inside coils in parallel
Bridge HB coils in series.

To this, you could usefully add a partial coil split to the bridge HB. Unfortunately, to preserve the other sounds, the connection to the mode switch would occupy one pole of a four-pole selector switch. It would have to be the screw coil that is partially split.

bloodandtears

ICBM said:

bloodandtears said:

according to Mark's infographic.. as per ICBMs comments, 3 of those "positions" are identical..

PUSH #4
PULL #4 & #5

That’s a mistake in the diagram - all the pull-switch does is split the bridge pickup, so the neck remains series in the front position.

I misunderstood the shading of the diagram.. the following are in effect the same.

PUSH #4 & PULL #4

PUSH #5 & PULL #5

Funkfingers

bloodandtears said:

I misunderstood the shading of the diagram.

I disagree. The shading on the coils diagrams is actively misleading. It uses red, yellow and a halfway house ochre. The only colour key explanation is that yellow indicates both coils of a humbucker connected in parallel.

Sporky

There was a chap on the Seymour Duncan forums years ago who came up with incredibly complex schemes - three three-way toggles, a rotary switch, and four push-pull in one. He'd claim several hundred combinations, but on working them through typically half were redundant repeats, and quite often half of the rest would always be silent. 

bloodandtears

Funkfingers said:

bloodandtears said:

I misunderstood the shading of the diagram.

I disagree. The shading on the coils diagrams is actively misleading. It uses red, yellow and a halfway house ochre. The only colour key explanation is that yellow indicates both coils of a humbucker connected in parallel.

for my sanity then... what does the "ochre" represent? in particularly the neck #5 position?

Funkfingers

The diagram fails to make that clear.

There is nothing in the circuit to change the behaviour of the neck position humbucker. Thus, the third colour signifies nothing whatsoever.

normula1

My PRS is wired to give Bridge HB, B&N partially out of phase, B&N in phase, Bridge HB & Neck with partial split, Neck full HB. A push pull partially splits both HBs. Pulled position 3&4 should be the same, but I've added additional resistors and a cap to simulate a traditional 4 pot loading in position 3. The difference is subtle but definitely audible. The only sound I don't particularly use is the partial out of phase when split, full HBs sound way better.