Pop Rock

kossofffan

Is this acceptable as Rock? not for me, but for a rocky pop song, it's ok.

https://youtu.be/BA_wpg84Nuw

lustycourtier

why does it matter? A good songs a good song

axisus

I don't see the difference between 'rock' and a 'rock pop' song personally. I didn't like it though, didn't like the vocal style at all.

TTony

axisus said:

I don't see the difference between 'rock' and a 'rock pop' song personally. 

This clearly isn't 'rock pop' though - it might be 'pop rock' but that's a very different genre.

duotone

I quite like it, but then again I’m a real sucker for Radio Pop Rock. For me as long as there is a guitar with some distortion, it comes under that umbrella. Stuff like:

https://youtu.be/yipoOY56MbM

https://youtu.be/nhBorPm6JjQ

https://youtu.be/F8Jxo15Vfic

darthed1981

kossofffan said:

Is this acceptable as Rock? not for me, but for a rocky pop song, it's ok.

Acceptable as "Rock"...

It's all pop music, it doesn't automatically enter some kind of rarefied quality layer if made by blokes with beards and guitars?

There are only two kinds of music, "good" and "bad" - and only you can decide where the line is drawn.

As for Demi... their song (I think that's the correct pronoun now, they identify as non-binary) seems quite weak to me, but clearly comes from quite a personal place for them, so fair play, ultimately got the profile to do whatever they want,

Philly_Q

TTony said:

axisus said:

I don't see the difference between 'rock' and a 'rock pop' song personally. 

This clearly isn't 'rock pop' though - it might be 'pop rock' but that's a very different genre.

Yeah, I don't know rock pop...  I do think there is a dividing line, somewhere, between "rock" and "pop rock".  Or between "rock" and "pop"... maybe "pop rock" IS that dividing line, but it's all very vague.  I couldn't define it.

Ultimately I don't think it really matters what genre something falls into, music genres are artificial constructs but they're useful to help describe things.

I'd say I like rock.  I like some very heavy stuff, but I also like some very commercial, melodic hard rock and I do think there are occasions where a band crosses a line into territory which is - by my own definition! - no longer rock.  Much of Def Leppard's recent material would fall into that category, for me.  Also the last-but-one Scorpions album, Return to Forever, went too far in a pop rock direction.

Snags

kossofffan said:

Is this acceptable as Rock? not for me, but for a rocky pop song, it's ok.

https://youtu.be/BA_wpg84Nuw

Without the validated official sanctioned check list for certification as each genre and sub-genre this thread is meaningless. 

Kids today. 

It's clearly a rock song. The only quibble is as to the precise sub-category. An exercise that makes the full LGBTQ+ stuff look positively broad-brush in comparison. 

MagicPigDetective

A pop star doing rock..... not a rock star doing pop? 

hollywoodrox

I find it unacceptable 

Philly_Q

I've watched the Demi Lovato performance now.  I think it is definitely rock.  But it's fucking atrocious.

hollywoodrox

Cutting crew are not what I call rock ,but died in your arms is better than this 
  It just reeks of the sudden fad of all these popsters of late jumping on some sort of rock bandwagon  like this machine gun nelly chap. At least Sophie loyd gives him a hint of cred 

Snags

How can you say that? Demi was in Camp Rock. It even had rock in the title. And those hard core rockers the Jonas brothers.

MagicPigDetective

Let it go

mrkb

It’s not rock, it’s like recent Manic Street Preachers output

Snags

MagicPigDetective said:

Let it go

Nah, that's somewhere between ballad and musical theatre. 

Kilgore

I give it 62.8 on my Rock-O-Metre with a margin of error of 2.7 either side. So I think that's fairly conclusive. 

darthed1981

mrkb said:

It’s not rock, it’s like recent Manic Street Preachers output

That's some strong praise indeed...

darthed1981

Snags said:

MagicPigDetective said:

Let it go

Nah, that's somewhere between ballad and musical theatre. 

...and gross hypocrisy.

Disappear off onto a mountain, build a giant ice fortress and an ice monster to keep away trespassers?

Elsa ain't letting anything go!

Bezzer

Snags said:

Without the validated official sanctioned check

Sorry I’ve been busy and wasn’t aware I was needed.

Yes it is, and is acceptable as, rock.

You’re welcome.

prowla