Left/right handed acoustic differences?

daveyh

Is there anything in the construction that’s different?

ICBM

daveyh said:

Is there anything in the construction that’s different?

Top bracing, bridge saddle slot angle, bridge saddle profile, nut.

daveyh

Okay that’s fairly significant then. It’s the top bracing specifically I was wondering about, couldn’t really do much about that

ICBM

Restringing one will work, but it's not ideal - the top bracing doesn't make enough difference to stop it working, although it may sound less than as good as normal. Reversing the bridge saddle slot is also difficult, but you can get 'conversion' saddles which fit into the existing slot and have a wide top-section which has a reversed saddle moulded into it... not very elegant, but again it will work, assuming there's enough height clearance to allow it to fit.

https://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/Saddleboy-Left-Handed-Acoustic-Guitar-Conversion-Kit/pidTGI-LEFT-CONV-KIT

Redlester

Like @icbm says, those are the main differences. The bracing is the main one that you can't fix. Put it this way- it never stopped Paul MacCartney and those who had less access to left handed guitars and had to make do with acoustics flipped over.

But you aren't going to get the full benefit of the bracing design. I'd say buy a left handed guitar, especially for more expensive models. 

daveyh

Redlester said:

Like @icbm says, those are the main differences. The bracing is the main one that you can't fix. Put it this way- it never stopped Paul MacCartney and those who had less access to left handed guitars and had to make do with acoustics flipped over.

But you aren't going to get the full benefit of the bracing design. I'd say buy a left handed guitar, especially for more expensive models. 

Well, I’m right handed but I’ve seen something at an excellent price but it’s a leftie. But it’s something I’m not prepared to compromise on tbh

Redlester

daveyh said:

Redlester said:

Like @icbm says, those are the main differences. The bracing is the main one that you can't fix. Put it this way- it never stopped Paul MacCartney and those who had less access to left handed guitars and had to make do with acoustics flipped over.

But you aren't going to get the full benefit of the bracing design. I'd say buy a left handed guitar, especially for more expensive models. 

Well, I’m right handed but I’ve seen something at an excellent price but it’s a leftie. But it’s something I’m not prepared to compromise on tbh

Hey hey hey! I might be interested as a lefty. What is it? 

Edit: got to say as well, that speaking as a left hooker, the thought of a right handed player buying anything other than a lefty Strat and slinging it upside down (for the look of course) seems crazy. Why impose limits on yourself when you don't have to? Trust me as a very frustrated left handed player. It's only in the last 10 years that the range and choice of lefty guitars has really improved. 

daveyh

It’s a leftie J45

GTC

I'm a lefty and have had many right-handed guitar conversions done. I always try the guitar with the strings turned round before making any changes to the nut, saddle and saddle slot angle to check that the bracing does not have an impact. After twenty or so conversions I've come to the conclusion that it makes no noticeable difference. This is backed up by the views of Simon at Brook and a Martin comment on asymmetrical bracing which says that it can make a difference - but it doesn't matter which way round it goes.

Saddle slot angles are something for an experienced luthier but not a difficult job. I have someone who will do the job for me at "mate's rates" - but this could be well over £100 for most. Steer clear of the Saddleboy - an interesting idea but cheap and nasty for a decent guitar. I know, I've tried it.

Simpler things that need to be considered are the saddle profile, nut slot adjustment / nut replacement and fingerboard side dots on the correct side - and perhaps the pick guard if there is one.

ICBM

daveyh said:

Well, I’m right handed but I’ve seen something at an excellent price but it’s a leftie. But it’s something I’m not prepared to compromise on tbh

No, don’t. For me it’s not just a practical point - it’s not just a compromise and pointless when there’s no shortage of right-handed guitars... in my opinion it’s just plain wrong. There are few enough decent left-handed guitars for the left-handed players, without right-handed players taking them. I feel the same about right-handed players using left-handed Strats to pose as Hendrix too, I won’t do those either.

GTC

ICBM said:

daveyh said:

Well, I’m right handed but I’ve seen something at an excellent price but it’s a leftie. But it’s something I’m not prepared to compromise on tbh

No, don’t. For me it’s not just a practical point - it’s not just a compromise and pointless when there’s no shortage of right-handed guitars... in my opinion it’s just plain wrong. There are few enough decent left-handed guitars for the left-handed players, without right-handed players taking them. I feel the same about right-handed players using left-handed Strats to pose as Hendrix too, I won’t do those either.

If I was lucky enough to be right-handed (although it would mean losing my mutant left-handed superpowers) I would never even contemplate converting a left-handed guitar to right-handed. There's plenty of choice out there as it is.

I have had left-handed guitars up for sale which have had a winning bid / offer put in by people I suspected were right-handed. In such cases, I have always pointed out what is involved in a proper conversion and given them the opportunity to back out.

However, my empirical evidence has shown that bracing handing is generally not such a big thing as it is often made out to be.

daveyh

ICBM said:

daveyh said:

Well, I’m right handed but I’ve seen something at an excellent price but it’s a leftie. But it’s something I’m not prepared to compromise on tbh

No, don’t. For me it’s not just a practical point - it’s not just a compromise and pointless when there’s no shortage of right-handed guitars... in my opinion it’s just plain wrong. There are few enough decent left-handed guitars for the left-handed players, without right-handed players taking them. I feel the same about right-handed players using left-handed Strats to pose as Hendrix too, I won’t do those either.

The thing that mainly made me wonder if it was possible wasn’t just that it was a good price, but it was also the birth year of my son

GTC

daveyh said:

The thing that mainly made me wonder if it was possible wasn’t just that it was a good price, but it was also the birth year of my son

Well - I once bought a right-handed classical guitar because the manufacturing date was the first Monday after my wedding date. With things like this, being sensible can take a back seat.

A very nice guitar it turned out to be, too.

ICBM

GTC said:

Well - I once bought a right-handed classical guitar because the manufacturing date was the first Monday after my wedding date. With things like this, being sensible can take a back seat.

A very nice guitar it turned out to be, too.

Not surprising. Classical guitars are usually - although not quite always - built with symmetrical bracing, have a straight bridge saddle slot, and don't even have position dots on the side of the neck... so the only changes you need are the saddle profile (and intonation notch for the G string if it has one) and the nut.

GTC

ICBM said:

Not surprising. Classical guitars are usually - although not quite always - built with symmetrical bracing, have a straight bridge saddle slot, and don't even have position dots on the side of the neck... so the only changes you need are the saddle profile (and intonation notch for the G string if it has one) and the nut.

More commonly than not nowadays, classicals do have a slight intonation angle on the saddle - and fretboard side dots at the 7th and 9th frets. The one I mentioned had neither though - so the conversion was indeed simple.

I just collected my Aria 19C Lacote replica from luthier extraordinaire, Alan Miller, yesterday. That did have a slight intonation angle on the saddle slot which Alan sorted invisibly and expertly. He's in the process of building a harp guitar for me.

I did once buy a right-handed Brook Tamar from a guy near Bideford as I fell in love with the koa on the back and sides - but only after checking with the guys at Brook first. Despite the asymmetric bracing they said changing the strings would not make any noticeable difference to the tone. Due to the bridge pins following the saddle angle, they recommended completely replacing the bridge - which Simon subsequently carried out.

I think my overall advice would be that if you are thinking about a conversion then think of all the implications first (including future resale value) and before doing any significant work, try it out with the strings changed round first to check there is no unexpected tonal surprises.

Redlester

dave gh said:

It’s a leftie J45

There aren't that many of them around. Seriously, if I were shopping for one of those I'd try as many as I could find before parting with serious money.  A conversion job on one of those isn't worth the extra expense IMO. 

CHRISB50

ICBM said:

GTC said:

Well - I once bought a right-handed classical guitar because the manufacturing date was the first Monday after my wedding date. With things like this, being sensible can take a back seat.

A very nice guitar it turned out to be, too.

Not surprising. Classical guitars are usually - although not quite always - built with symmetrical bracing, have a straight bridge saddle slot, and don't even have position dots on the side of the neck... so the only changes you need are the saddle profile (and intonation notch for the G string if it has one) and the nut.

My good friend has a lovely Yamaha classical that I've always liked.

He's thinking of selling and asked if I'd be interested, but he's right handed and I'm left handed.

I did wonder about the bracing. 

You might have just sold my friend's guitar. I'll tell him to send the commission your way! 

GTC

CHRISB50 said:

My good friend has a lovely Yamaha classical that I've always liked.

He's thinking of selling and asked if I'd be interested, but he's right handed and I'm left handed.

I did wonder about the bracing. 

You might have just sold my friend's guitar. I'll tell him to send the commission your way! 

I'm by no means a Yamaha expert but some newer Yamaha classicals (including the silent guitars) have a slight intonation angle on the saddle slot.

CHRISB50

GTC said:

CHRISB50 said:

My good friend has a lovely Yamaha classical that I've always liked.

He's thinking of selling and asked if I'd be interested, but he's right handed and I'm left handed.

I did wonder about the bracing. 

You might have just sold my friend's guitar. I'll tell him to send the commission your way! 

I'm by no means a Yamaha expert but some newer Yamaha classicals (including the silent guitars) have a slight intonation angle on the saddle slot.

Cheers.

If I buy it will go straight to Charlie Chandlers to be sorted out, so I would let them deal with it.

bertie

GTC said:

I'm by no means a Yamaha expert but some newer Yamaha classicals (including the silent guitars) have a slight intonation angle on the saddle slot.

GTC two posts previously said:

More commonly than not nowadays, classicals do have a slight intonation angle on the saddle - 

crikey you're worse than me............... 

GTC

bertie said:

crikey you're worse than me............... 

yipes - am I really ?????!!!