Nigel Lawson

guitartango

Tough crowd in tonight 

Philly_Q

Kittyfrisk said:

This section is called Tributes for a reason.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-opposite-of/tribute.html

Maybe starting the thread wasn't the best idea?  No offence to @guitartango, but I doubt The Great Lawsoni has many admirers.

guitartango

Philly_Q said:

Kittyfrisk said:

This section is called Tributes for a reason.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-opposite-of/tribute.html

Maybe starting the thread wasn't the best idea?  No offence to @guitartango, but I doubt The Great Lawsoni has many admirers.

 I wasn't a fan either, but you know RIP 

rlw

Philly_Q said:

Kittyfrisk said:

This section is called Tributes for a reason.
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-opposite-of/tribute.html

Maybe starting the thread wasn't the best idea?  No offence to @guitartango, but I doubt The Great Lawsoni has many admirers.

Probably far fewer than his daughter in fact.....

Kilgore

He was phenomenally successful at dieting. Apart from that I'm struggling.

BintyTwanger77

RIP and all that, but the best tribute I can give was that he was a climate change denialist who as Chancellor catastrophically deregulated the financial sector and squandered the nations oil reserves on funding his PM's brutal industrial reforms. He wrecked this country.

bertie

rlw said:

So what did she do to upset you.....

be her 


she's just slimy overly "mumsy"  annoying smarmy 


and thats just her good points

rlw

bertie said:

rlw said:

So what did she do to upset you.....

be her 


she's just slimy overly "mumsy"  annoying smarmy 


and thats just her good points

I think you have failed bigly to recognise her good points

stufisher

I totally agree with @bertie ... I can't stand the bint   ... probably because she looks like her truly abhorrant pater and took both his names essentially, as if we need reminding of his impact on UK life in the 80s & 90s.

If devil's spawn daughter appears on TV I mute the sound, switch it off or leave the room ... coke-snorting, lying trollop ... the only silver spoon she uses is the one in her gob from birth. 

I shed no tears for the demise of her slimeball, cretinous father ... another instrumental Thatcherite crony that laid the foundations for the demise of the UK's social, political and economic fabric.

If you want a realistic (non-political, no BS) assessment of the UK's current status in the world then I compel you to watch this ... the last line uttered in this docu says it all.

Good riddance to Lawson et al

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001kb3w via @bbciplayer ;

rlw

You are all left wing radical socialists who hate the establishment..

markguitarblaze

rlw said:

You are all left wing radical socialists who hate the establishment..

Not at all. I'm pretty centralist in my views - the free market economy is mostly a good thing but there are people who genuinely need help and there needs to be a safety net. In my opinion Thatcher, Lawson etc were too right wing. That doesn't mean that I'm a raving leftie. 

rlw

markguitarblaze said:

rlw said:

You are all left wing radical socialists who hate the establishment..

Not at all. I'm pretty centralist in my views - the free market economy is mostly a good thing but there are people who genuinely need help and there needs to be a safety net. In my opinion Thatcher, Lawson etc were too right wing. That doesn't mean that I'm a raving leftie. 

Who cares - do you like Nigella?

Kilgore

rlw said:

markguitarblaze said:

rlw said:

You are all left wing radical socialists who hate the establishment..

Not at all. I'm pretty centralist in my views - the free market economy is mostly a good thing but there are people who genuinely need help and there needs to be a safety net. In my opinion Thatcher, Lawson etc were too right wing. That doesn't mean that I'm a raving leftie. 

Who cares - do you like Nigella?

I did in the first pic but she's too thin now!

stickyfiddle

Nigella's awesome. There is no-one on earth that I'd rather turn to for any recipe involving chocolate. 

steven70

Philly_Q said:

EricTheWeary said:

Nigel. Yes less of a Tory tosspot than the current Tory tosspots but he made his career on Thatcherite economics which laid the foundations of our housing and public transport problems, dismantling public services and he supported homophobic legislation. Eventually resigned (I suppose that's a good thing as today's tosspots won't) over mishandling of the economy. Tramp the dirt down as Elvis Costello might say.

Edit: there was a 2 day gap for anyone to be nice about him and no one managed it.

He was also the BBC's climate-change-denier of choice in the days when they thought it was "unbiased" to always have one person from each side of the argument whenever they discussed Global Warming.

Surely this is being unbiased, whatever your own position on an issue. No?

At least less unbiased than representing only a single viewpoint - given that most arguments have more than two sides.

Strange times.

Grangousier

The problem was that it gave the impression that there was an actual debate. There isn't. Virtually all qualified people who understand climate science agree with the human model of climate change; Virtually none disagree. Very few actual economists thought anything good could come out of Brexit; two or three economists thought there could (and they have been proven wrong). By ensuring contrary views were given equal prominence (or greater prominence in many cases) suggested that their positions had more weight than they actually did. It was such an effective strategy for constructing a false narrative that it's hard to believe the editors in question did it accidentally. 

The Balance Principle is only applied selectively in any case - almost all economic analysis expresses the ideological prejudices of governments since Thatcher, while modern macroeconomic theory doesn't adhere to those principles and is often contradictory to it. But is rarely featured, and then represented as fringe voices (even when those voices are not in any way fringe in actual economic circles). In that way, ideology (that often runs counter to actual experience) is presented as unassailable fact. 

For example, the simplified model that represents the country's economy as a household economy ("maxing out the nation's credit card") is fundamentally wrong on many levels, but taken for granted by the economic departments of news organisations, who then go on to repeat government nostrums derived from those fallacious assumptions as though they were fact. Things like the budget, or economic statistics are uniformly reported from the point of view of those political orthodoxies, despite the fact that they don't reflect reality. In the case of the budget any "balance" is political (a Labour spokesperson is given a couple of minutes, often contextualised in a dismissive way), but there isn't room for critique or analysis drawn from alternative models to be represented. 

The current state of the country is a proof of this: the economic policies enacted since 2010 have been hugely destructive and economically illiterate, resulting in the rotting of civil society at all levels. The connection between austerity and social problems can be drawn directly, and the narrative that allowed those policies to seem sensible and even laudable was constructed in newsrooms. 

Another example is the way that programmes like Question Time are careful to include representatives of UKIP / Brexit Party / Reform UK because they supposedly have  a certain amount of support in the country, but not have similar lives of representation for the Green Party despite similar levels of support (even when broadcasting from areas where there are particularly high levels of Green support, such as Bristol).  

darthed1981

stickyfiddle said:

Nigella's awesome. There is no-one on earth that I'd rather turn to for any recipe involving chocolate. 

Yes, I'd like to spread it all over her as well.

darthed1981

guitartango said:

Tough crowd in tonight 

TBF, and seriously, a Tory chancellor from the Thatcher era is going to be a controversial one.

Still, a lifelong public servant and I'd take Thatcher's Tories over the current mob any day of the week.

Gilly

guitartango said:

Tough crowd in tonight 

Name something good that he did.

Blueingreen

rlw said:

bertie said:

she's just .... overly "mumsy" 

Any chance of an introduction to your mum?