A friend of mine currently owns a Two-Rock Studio Pro 35 combo and running it through a 2 x 12 cab. He mentioned to me the other day that he's having "amp issues" during rehershals and has to crank the amp all the way because the drummer is too loud. I asked if he had mike'd the amp and turned it up it via the pa. He said he already had and that he was surprised how far he had to crank the pa too. Because of this he's thinking of parting ways with the Two-Rock for something with more oomph, regarding 50 watts won't be enough and considering a 100w head instead, which could possibly be of lower quality/cheaper than the two rock.
I'm not doubting my mate as he's a very accomplished musician; however, I'm genuinely shocked as I believe 35 watts of said amp AND pa should be ample enough, especially in a rehearsal setting. I could be wrong, though. What's everyones views on this matter? I'm curious.
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If it's at waist height or more and pointing at you there is no way you will not hear a cranked 35W valve amp through a 2x12" over any drummer. Tone and clean headroom might possibly be an issue but volume won't be.
I once played with a drummer who was insanely loud, the loudest by far I've ever heard - literally painful to be in the room with him without ear plugs - and a Marshall Bluesbreaker (30W 2x12") was loud enough, but not clean. A Fender Concert (60W 1x12") was enough to maintain clean headroom.
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Very often it's not 'volume' that's the problem but definition and punch to cut through the mix. I recommend he tries a BBE Sonic Stomp Maximiser (ideally in the FX loop).
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http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/24080/
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I notice the amp has a bias pot in "easy reach". Might someone have had a fiddle?
But otherwise I agree. Two 6L6s in fixed bias from any competently designed amp should kill.
Dave.
I tried one and rapidly came to the conclusion that it was nowhere near gig-worthy.
If you want mildly driven or very driven sounds, you can get away with lower output amps but clean headroom takes a lot of watts.
I'd rather turn down an amp which is capable of too much volume than struggle to coax enough level out of a lower powered one. 'Big' output stages don't just give volume - they also give the sound 'authority' - they sound 'bigger', even when turned down.
Our last drummer was one of those -- not just "loud" but "mental". And everything else had to be cranked so loud that you couldn't hear anything -- after a short while it was like white noise, even with earplugs in. There were other issues with this guy but in the end it was the volume which was a major factor in sacking him.
So, if @beed84 has one of those rowdy b*stards then unless he's on the modern Hard Rock scene, consider sacking the drummer. He'll lose you audiences and work.
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My 20w lionheart through a 1936 cab used to devastate the other guitarist in my old band. He had the 100w jet city hdm and it struggled to live with the little laney,