Hi all,
Just wondering what the sense is in how ‘accepted’ modelling tech is in 2023, particularly in more ‘traditional’ genres (blues etc).
I’ve been a guitarist most of my life but I drop in and out in terms of my level of involvement/passion/interest in the instrument. As a youngster in my later teens (early-mid 2000s) I played regularly in a band experimenting a lot with sound and loved FX pedals, multi FX etc - running a big board into the front of my amp. I stopped playing for a while and when I came back to it in my late 20s I got into blues-the band I played with was just a duo, me with a resonator into a 5w tube amp and them on drums a a vocals.
Over the pandemic I got more into electronic music, and have spent the last few years buying and selling drum machines, samplers, synths etc with screens, knobs and lights galore. I’ve recently started playing a lot more guitar again and the logical step seemed to be Moddeller. I have picked up a Boss GX100, plugged into my electronic set up it’s great, and I can also run it into the power amp in on my Boss Katana and get a good ‘amp in the room’ sound at home. The FX are great and it’s super versatile. Coming from the electronic world this seemed a no brainer.
However, I’ve also started playing with the blues duo again, and although it works, using the moddeller on that one environment with a magnetic pickup on a battered resonator just ‘feels’ wrong. Is anyone else routinely now using moddellers for blues based gigs with their ‘retro’ guitars. I love the feel of old strats and Gibson etc, but it seems to me that the two worlds are very separate at the moment. Just curious around other’s experiences, views and opinions were on this….
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That should be the end of any discussion, but it's the pub weekend warriors that will complain the most.
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Profilers are different to modellers.
Any recent unit will sound good now, even the Helix is about 7 years old and has just gotten better and better.
A great deal of it depends on what your are amplifying it with too.
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So why am I still using them? Quite simply they're still the best MFX for my gigging needs that I've found. Way ahead of their time in their day (TLSE 2004, TLLE 2007), the very clever mix of digital pre-amp domain with valve power amp section gives these units a feel, full bodied tone & dynamics that can still give even many modern MFX units a run for their money on stage. Built like a tank, these have heavy duty PSU's with a long, thick cable, & a mid-cable transformer that has its own on/off switch, which means a standard 3-pin plug instead of an ugly, awkward wall-wart. With a clear LCD display, real knobs, dials and switches for fast selections, tweaks, control switch and (on the TLSE) dual expression pedals and A/B switching in a patch, these were designed for gigging. No DSP grey-outs, no long menu driven UI, easy to use edit software & MIDI capability, patch-naming, instant patch changing, & easy switch between pre-set & stomp modes.
On stage, you need it to be solid, reliable, simple, fast & easy to use & tweak. The subtle modelling nuances of modern MFX that sound great at home or in the studio largely go out the window in a live band mix at gig volume. And especially for what I play, mainly classic rock & blues, these units just 'do the job'.
The problem I had with that was hearing myself on stage so I went back to using amps. I've gone digital more recently though. The latest modellers are a massive step up on a Pod XT as well.
Not saying they aren't good- I use modellers a lot, but that is the reason.
It sounds good enough for live and has consistency from gig to gig in the way that a tube amp sometimes doesn't.
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My Headrush FRFR108's are only 19lbs each & easy to carry. Even two of these are still way lighter than any of my gigging amps, & I can carry them one at a time.
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It has two inputs, so I use one of them for a direct signal from my guitar/modeller, and one for a feed from the desk of the other things I want in my monitor. If I'm using my QC, then I have the XLR outputs going to the desk, and the jack outputs to the monitor. If I'm using a UA pedal on my pedalboard for modelling, I use a DI box to split the signal. This one has two outputs:
That way I have control of the level of my guitar in my monitor, and I'm not at the mercy of the sound engineer turning me down or off in my monitor. Of course, he can still turn off everything else I want to hear!
Plus, as happened on a recent gig, the stage layout was making it so difficult to hear the amp from behind me even at decent volumes that I ended up only being able to really hear it through the monitor anyway.
I haven't given up on the valve amp thing (and am enjoying my fairly new Victory V40 head/cab) but I can see me going back to all digital again for the most part just for simplicity and having more control over the mix I get. I've found the Helix amp model and pedals that work for me consistently and have been told the tones sound really organic.
As has been mentioned above, I also use a Headrush FR-108 as a wedge and just have that for my guitar signal only...alongside whatever mix I get from the sound guy, or just general on-stage ambience. It gives me total control over my levels and after the initial learning curve of hearing things in front rather than behind you, I'm really comfortable with how it all sounds.
Using the Profiler probably makes the sound guy's job easier too as he has better control instead of loud stage volume with mics fighting each other for level.
The thing I love is the ease of use and consistent sound; in theory, it should make the sound engineer's job much easier. But having said that, my old band played our last show a few weeks back in Banbury at a certain metal pub, and the engineer refused to allow me to use the FM9 as it was "too complex to set up". I explained it was just 2 XLRs, hard panned L and R, but he just flat out refused.
I had to use one of the support band's amps with zero pedals or FX (I could have used the FM9 for these, but I'd never used it through a head and cab, and we only had 10 mins). This resulted in us playing hard rock songs with a pretty clean sound.... which was interesting.
His main complaint was that the PA and monitors "were just for vocals". Er, OK then....
Oh, and I was told on the rider that using the FM9 with stereo XLRs through the PA was fine.
This was a one-off though; most of the time, engineers love the fact you just give them two XLRs.
other venues I have just unplugged the mic on the cab and connected XLR out (ran mono anyway).