Best small modeller for my use case?

english_bob

So here's what I want to do. My big board is built around an ES-5, and has two Line 6 M5s that provide reverbs, modulation effects and pitch/whammy stuff alongside dedicated pedals for drives and delays and a couple of other things. Both M5s are frequently in use, and are each in separate loops on the ES-5 meaning they can be in different places in the signal chain. The whole thing is set up to be used 4CM with my amp.

I want to replace the M5s with something more current. The most direct swap would be for two HX Ones, but that costs more than an HXFX(!), which is (at today's price, anyway) about the same as an HX Stomp, which is smaller, and would give me all the modelling stuff as well.

So my current thinking is that I'd like a suitable modeller- HX Stomp, Ampero II Stomp, Headrush MX5 / Gigboard- something like that. I want something that can cover all the effects the M5s currently do, but allows me to use my pedalboard ampless if needed. 

So it needs:
- MIDI IN 
- send/return loop so I can have effects in two different places in the overall signal chain
- wide range of effects including whammy/pitch effects that don't suck
- small(ish) size- two M5s are about 7" deep and about 14" wide accounting for connectors etc., but I can shift things around...
- ideally some flexibility on what the footswitches do so I can assign them to useful things- bypass, tap tempo and preset selection will be via MIDI.

It doesn't need:
- to be the best standalone gigging modeller (although it would be nice to have something that works well on its own for home use)
- loads of footswitches because it'll be integrated with the ES-5 that can handle a lot of what I'd use extra footswitches for already

My gut feeling is to go with the HX Stomp- huge user base, proven track record of updates and new models and a like-for-like copy of all the stuff the M5 has on board, but I'd be interested to hear how the competition stacks up. I'm aware of the Hotone and Headrush units- anyone else making anything comparable?

Or if this sounds like the worst idea you've ever heard and you want to talk me out of it, you could do that too.

stickyfiddle

HX Stomp all day long. You could easily put it in 2 loops with a send/return block as well and effectively use it like 2x M5s only with multiple effects possible in each loop. The only thing to be aware of is that pitch effects absolutely chomp through DSP, so you can't always combine them with everything else you might want to use. But it's usually workable one way or another 

I actually just got an H90 to try as well which so far seems extremely good at what it does, but that doesn't do amp sims, so doesn't tick all the same boxes as the Stomp for your purposes. 

monquixote

I have a GT-1000 CORE and that would do the job.
The Boss effects are very good as well.

Another alternative would be to replace the whole lot with a multi FX that has multiple loops such as a full fat Helix.

guitarmangler

Buy an M9 to replace the two m5’s, then get a toneX or something for the amp less bit? Might be cheaper than getting a Helix stomp. Not quite as an elegant solution, tho.

english_bob

guitarmangler said:

Buy an M9 to replace the two m5’s,

M9 doesn't have the send/return loop capability I want. Only the M13 does, and it's massive. 

I don't really have any complaints about the M5, I just suspect that a newer equivalent will sound better.

thomasw88

Boss gt1000 core. 

Or something like a helix or lt and use that for everything and put your drives in the loops of the helix.

Beexter

Another +1 for the HX Stomp, especially as you are seemingly happy with the M5's. You can also add extra footswiches or an expression pedal to the Stomp cheaply and easily. Add in midi control as well and it really is a very capable unit for something so compact.

Wazmeister

Another vote for the HX STOMP.

All day long.

guitargeek62

GT-1000 Core if you can put up with the interface. The software helps, but I still found it all a bit fiddly. The sounds however really are superb! I’ve now got an IR-2 with some of the same amp and reverb models and that serves my purposes very well

english_bob

monquixote said:

Another alternative would be to replace the whole lot with a multi FX that has multiple loops such as a full fat Helix.

thomasw88 said:

Or something like a helix or lt and use that for everything and put your drives in the loops of the helix.

Mind says yes, heart says no.

I've arrived at the point I'm at from much simpler pedalboards and I can't quite countenance going to a more-or-less completely "in the box" approach. I get that particularly with the Helix the huge choice of different modelled effects and amps and signal chain flexibility is approaching a point where the "bespoke-ness" advantage of a switcher+MIDI+pedals rig is barely there any more, but it still feels more like home than just one big multi-effect.

Also, not going to lie- there's a certain appeal to the complexity of the current board. The building/rebuilding/planning stuff is definitely part of the pleasure. It is for me, anyway...

Wazmeister

The HX is dEad simple, and the simpest UI of all the modellers, imho.

stickyfiddle

Wazmeister said:

The HX is dEad simple, and the simpest UI of all the modellers, imho.

Yup. The learning curve is literally like 5 minutes for most functions and then another 10 mins of Google/youtube for things like setting up aux switches, send/return insert, etc. 

I think literally the only thing that annoys me is how lots of models are split between mono, stereo and legacy, simply because I can never remember which bucket everything sits in. But that’s a v minor thing 

Compared with the H90 that’s been sitting on my desk all week it is a breeze…

allen

I’m a bit negative about the hx stomp interface (but I don’t own one). I do own an hx effects and it is not too bad. Hx effects plus tonex would work. 

However, I am a bit like you and like the look of the ampero 2 stage. Big screen, touch screen and quite a lot of flexibility. 

If budget wasn’t a limiting factor then get a quad cortex, the UI is so easy and it does most things well. 

english_bob

Well, I went for the HX Stomp. Picked up a limited edition red one at the weekend and have spent some time over the last few days getting to grips with it.

There's a lot in there, so I'm trying to get my head around what all the models are that aren't obviously named for something copyrighted. Already found some very cool stuff that I couldn't do before- shuffling looper, the freeze effect that's called something else...

Haven't wired it in to my pedalboard yet, or hooked it up to my ES-5, and only starting to mentally plan out how best to replicate what my M5s were programmed to do. It's going to keep me out of mischief for weeks.

Beexter

I'm sure you'll enjoy it. It's a great bit of kit and manages to cram a huge amount of flexibility into a pretty tiny footprint.
I'm not sure there's anything that competes with it in terms of functionality per cm²

thecolourbox

Also contains all of the effects you had on your M5's under the Legacy section

english_bob

thecolourbox said:

Also contains all of the effects you had on your M5's under the Legacy section

Yes, and it turns out it also has newer (better?) versions of most of the ones I actually used. I definitely prefer the Helix rotary speaker models...

Grumpyrocker

Ampero II Stomp

Similar to the HX Stomp but offers lots more effects blocks and a handy drum section for practice.