New Laney Iron heart and Lionheart loud pedals

Jetfire

https://www.laney.co.uk/amps/guitar/ironheart/bccloudpedal-imm

Extras compared to the loudpedal are reverb, an IR loader and midi. So not too shabby, but I'd be interested in seeing the price on these...

Edit : £400 according to guitarguitar

StefB

They are a well in the slipstream of similar offerings from Blackstar and H&K, but some may prefer the Laney sound I suppose.

I'm interested to see the extent of the MIDI implementation, i.e. whether presets can be saved or if it is just the usual missed opportunity for changing channels and loading IRs only, but the manual links for both devices are currently showing 404 screens on Laney's website product pages.

susbemol

In terms of sound alone, I would take Laney over Blackstar or H&K any day.

The Laney would be ideal if it had a built-in PSU though, only needing a kettle lead like the Blackstar.

StefB

susbemol said:

The Laney would be ideal if it had a built-in PSU though, only needing a kettle lead like the Blackstar.

The entire Loudpedal range suffers from this blight, from the original amp pedals through to the two head styled boxes.

Jonathanthomas83

The Lionheart looks superb. Brilliant idea and I've had a feeling in recent months that it was coming. But I've gone down a different path now, so what once would have been a shoo-in for me, I'm gonna hopefully try to ignore! Looks superb though and sounds it too! Part of the magic of the Lionheart is that it's Class-A. I am curious to see if they've captured that with the "feel" and sound mentioned - given it's a solid state amp.

allen

StefB said:

but the manual links for both devices are currently showing 404 screens on Laney's website product pages.

There you go
https://manuals.laney.co.uk/BCC-LOUDPEDAL_LTQ_Manual_EN.pdf

StefB

allen said:

StefB said:

but the manual links for both devices are currently showing 404 screens on Laney's website product pages.

There you go
https://manuals.laney.co.uk/BCC-LOUDPEDAL_LTQ_Manual_EN.pdf

Thanks. 

As I suspected it’s a WYSIWYG control set like the Friedman IRs and MIDI can only be used for switching channel, reverb, boost, or external devices. 

TJT1979

Can't tell if these are analogue solid state or digital? Obviously reverb and IRs will be digital but not sure about the main amp-y bit. 

They tick all the boxes for me.... Visible settings, option for amp or DI or both, etc. Need to wait for some non-sponsored demos & reviews. 

Jonathanthomas83

Solid state or digital by the looks. If you hadn't have mentioned it, I'd have gone on regretting my decision to not buy one whilst wrongly thinking that it was a tube preamp like the Friedman units. Doesn't look like it is!

TJT1979

Ahhh... hadn't realised it was a separate power transformer. Why do they do this??? Put it in the box and use a kettle plug!!

TJT1979

Jonathanthomas83 said:

Solid state or digital by the looks. If you hadn't have mentioned it, I'd have gone on regretting my decision to not buy one whilst wrongly thinking that it was a tube preamp like the Friedman units. Doesn't look like it is!

Yeah, it's definitely valve-less... I'm just wondering whether it's transitory analogue or digital modelling. 

Jonathanthomas83

More than likely DSP, is where I’d be placing my bet. And mark my words, there’ll be a Lionheart plugin in due course, too. Which will be an insta-buy for me.

susbemol

TJT1979 said:

Ahhh... hadn't realised it was a separate power transformer. Why do they do this??? Put it in the box and use a kettle plug!!

For various reasons - it is simpler to design and get through various certifications, etc.

It is a massive pain for the customer though which is who they should really be thinking about.

susbemol

TJT1979 said:

Jonathanthomas83 said:

Solid state or digital by the looks. If you hadn't have mentioned it, I'd have gone on regretting my decision to not buy one whilst wrongly thinking that it was a tube preamp like the Friedman units. Doesn't look like it is!

Yeah, it's definitely valve-less... I'm just wondering whether it's transitory analogue or digital modelling. 

According to the manual, it is an analogue pedal amplifier. Most likely a solid state preamp into a Class D power amp, like most other products of this type.

The digital part will be the reverb, IRs and USB.

Kebabkid

What are the differences between the TQ and MM units? 
I wish the EQ wasn't shared for both channels- it's not the case with the Friedman IR units

Jetfire

Kebabkid said:

What are the differences between the TQ and MM units? 
I wish the EQ wasn't shared for both channels- it's not the case with the Friedman IR units

The iron heart/Martin miller would be more high gain I'd imagine, based on the rest of the iron heart line up. I think they have picked him so people don't just write it off as a pedal to play chuggachugga riffs ...but that's really what it's for 

Kebabkid

Actually, I've just seen that the TQ is the Lionheart and the MM is the Ironheart and so more of a British flavour for the TQ and more gain for MM

Fez

Kebabkid said:

What are the differences between the TQ and MM units? 
I wish the EQ wasn't shared for both channels- it's not the case with the Friedman IR units

When I got my v1 I thought what would improve it would be reverb, some IR's and separate tone stacks for clean and drive channels, also a clean boost ie in the loop. So the new ones have two of my wishes. Midi might only be channel switching and not very sophisticated but with an HX one in 4 cable configuration could be very powerful.

Rkphilpot

Jetfire said:

https://www.laney.co.uk/amps/guitar/ironheart/bccloudpedal-imm

Extras compared to the loudpedal are reverb, an IR loader and midi. So not too shabby, but I'd be interested in seeing the price on these...

Edit : £400 according to guitarguitar

Is this extras compared to the Foundry pedal? 

Jetfire

Rkphilpot said:

Jetfire said:

https://www.laney.co.uk/amps/guitar/ironheart/bccloudpedal-imm

Extras compared to the loudpedal are reverb, an IR loader and midi. So not too shabby, but I'd be interested in seeing the price on these...

Edit : £400 according to guitarguitar

Is this extras compared to the Foundry pedal? 

Yep.

Foundry doesnt have reverb, IR loader or Midi

Pabcrane

When the Foundry Ironheart came out I thought it would be a good idea to put out a Lionheart version. I'd quite like one as a travel backup rig.

The only thing stopping me is the increase in price - the Foundry one is about £170 new and these ones are £400 new - I assume the increase is price is at least somewhat due to country of manufacture, I can't imagine that the reverb and IRs alone would be responsible for this.

At £170 or £200 I would definitely have got one but i don't know if I can justify my semi-regular travel use for £400