The problem with delays without tap tempo...

Drew_TNBD

Saw this when researching the differences between the DD2 and DD3. It kinda made me chuckle.

http://www.kitrae.net/music/Boss_DD2_Gilmour_Settings.jpg

But yeah, damn! I remember when I first started playing guitar in Tacoma, I went out and bought myself two analog delays from Malekko. I had the E600 Dark and E300 Light. They were great! Sounded fantastic. I never bothered with a reverse delay, and I never stacked the delays. I used the E600 for 'quarter note' pulses and I used the E300 for 'eighth note' pulses, and I was perfectly happy for a while.

But it did take some remembering knob positions for each song, because each song varies slightly. Also if our drummer started the song ever so slightly slower or faster than it was supposed to be, I basically had no chance to correct the delay times for that song. When you use delay as a rhythmical effect (rather than just a sort of washy thing underneath the main guitar signal) then it goes a bit sloppy.

Drew_TNBD

haha, shit I just manage to find a picture of my old setup:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/630473/BoardDesigns/Tacoma_CollapseEra.jpg

Look at all those bloody patch cables! lol. What an idiot.

ICBM

I never use tap tempo.

On the other hand I do use delay as an "echo effect" and not as a rhythmic part of the song, so your point still stands.

Drew_TNBD

I might try just forgoing TT in the next few practices. See how much I can get by with just knob twiddling. This is my current setup:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10428459_10152610020900777_6370961864470808202_n.jpg?oh=4b5c8b9dc4b0fa6ad4040bea4b96cce0&oe=5545C89C

Work in progress as ever!! I don't really need the MXR Micro Amp and Boo Tubescreamer right now. So I could take those off, and free up a bunch of room for some other pedals. But don't really know what.

monquixote

Have the G3s gone already?

Drew_TNBD

I only bought the one. I've still got it, but don't like how the reverb tails cut out when you bypass them

monquixote

You just need a MIDI to USB converter, a MIDI switcher, and a true bypass looper which supports tails. 

Easy!

Drew_TNBD

aahhhh fuck dat shit. Way too complicated

Screw it... sticking with single pedals and tap dancing! Got the option here to add a few pedals though - as I say, don't need the two at the top left.

But I don't quite know what to add. Probably more Boss pedals coz I love em!

monquixote

You need a Boss MO-2 

That's probably my next purchase. Somehow I suspect you wouldn't use it for emulating Hammond parts as I will be

Branshen

@drew_fx I know you love delays but the od-3 is a great drive pedal.

Drew_TNBD

Branshen said:

@drew_fx I know you love delays but the od-3 is a great drive pedal.

What sort of sound is it?

Branshen

My main drive is a Keeley bd2 (I don't use the bass boost). It is smoother than the bd2, which is grittier in sound. It doesn't emphasise mids as far as I can tell, and it's a fairly bassy drive pedal. So it's an alternative sound for me. I would use the bd2 for heavier, dirty blues, and probably the od3 if I wanted a more refined sound. Jazz fusion stuff? Loads and loads of output on the od3 if you want to use it as a boost, but I don't use it that way.

Downsides, it's noisier than the Keeley.

Branshen

I only just got the od3 today but I've spent some time playing about with it side by side my bd2. The od3 does emphasise the low mids which is why it gives the impression of being quite bassy. I have the tone knob of the pedal at 3 o clock and it sounds pretty balanced.

Now the really interesting bit is the drive knob. With it completely off, the pedal is not a clean boost, I would call it a low gain overdrive. This is the best low gain drive I've had. To be honest, low gain overdrive is all I need so it's a really nice pedal to have.

I believe some other members, including @icbm, have tried this pedal before.

Paul_C

Drew_fx said:

Work in progress as ever!! I don't really need the MXR Micro Amp and Boo Tubescreamer right now. So I could take those off, and free up a bunch of room for some other pedals. But don't really know what.

PolarityMan

I've said it before and I'll say it again "no tap tempo = no point"

hugbot

Drew_fx said:

Branshen said:

@drew_fx I know you love delays but the od-3 is a great drive pedal.

What sort of sound is it?

Its fat and thick like the BD2 (which I've heard it takes cues from internally), but punchier, jumps out of the mix more and is generally just better.

I sold mine to @branshen the other day and I immediately regret it.

LastMantra

Drew_fx said:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10428459_10152610020900777_6370961864470808202_n.jpg?oh=4b5c8b9dc4b0fa6ad4040bea4b96cce0&oe=5545C89C

That's soooo much tidier than your old set up you posted a pic of recently. It pleases my OCD.

Don't you fancy some kind of nasty ass fuzz? Rather than more "straight" OD/drive.

Also you need something that makes crazy noises, even if it's just for intros and middle eight type sections.

Branshen

I apologise for going off topic again. Using Facebook as an image host is not the most reliable. I found out that some old gear photos I posted on here using fb as an image host are now dead links even though they are still in the photo albums.

Drew_TNBD

LastMantra said:

Drew_fx said:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10428459_10152610020900777_6370961864470808202_n.jpg?oh=4b5c8b9dc4b0fa6ad4040bea4b96cce0&oe=5545C89C

That's soooo much tidier than your old set up you posted a pic of recently. It pleases my OCD.

LOL. It's getting there isn't it Dave!

 

Don't you fancy some kind of nasty ass fuzz? Rather than more "straight" OD/drive.

Also you need something that makes crazy noises, even if it's just for intros and middle eight type sections.

I do kind of fancy a good fuzz. But I've never really used one that I liked. Any suggestions? I'm thinking I need a proper analog delay and an expression pedal for crazy noisage.

ThePrettyDamned

Drew_fx said:

LastMantra said:

Drew_fx said:

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10428459_10152610020900777_6370961864470808202_n.jpg?oh=4b5c8b9dc4b0fa6ad4040bea4b96cce0&oe=5545C89C

That's soooo much tidier than your old set up you posted a pic of recently. It pleases my OCD.

LOL. It's getting there isn't it Dave!

 

Don't you fancy some kind of nasty ass fuzz? Rather than more "straight" OD/drive.

Also you need something that makes crazy noises, even if it's just for intros and middle eight type sections.

I do kind of fancy a good fuzz. But I've never really used one that I liked. Any suggestions? I'm thinking I need a proper analog delay and an expression pedal for crazy noisage.

Rainger FX!

They do some good noise boxes.  No idea if you'd like them, some people just don't dig fuzz. 

LastMantra

The Boss FZ-5 Fuzz would probably be spot on for you. 

I don't think you can go far wrong with a DMM for analog delay and added crazyness. Big box though.

Behringer do a great clone of the DMM, that's what I've got. Much cheapness.