Turn off the WiFi on your mobile

Emp_Fab

...when you're not using it, if you don't want to be tracked.

Actually, don't bother... they can already track you from the mast signals.

Today I've been learning about public WiFi systems - the kind that they have in shops / cafes etc.  The amount of data these things are capable of collating is amazing.  I was logged into a management portal for a chain of retail outlets that also offer free WiFi in store.  As your mobile is constantly polling for open WiFi networks, all WiFi access points in range hear it, and log the Mac address and phone details - whether you are in the place that offers free WiFi, or just happen to be walking past outside.  I was looking at graphs of which phones were seen on a regular basis, how long they stayed in the area, when they often return etc.  This is without you doing a thing or even knowing of the store's existence.

If you actually use the free WiFi facility, your privacy is generally toast.  Many of these places ask you to sign in via Facebook - and in a microsecond your name, and those of your friends, everything you have about yourself on Facebook is logged and recorded.  They (the retailer) now knows your name, age, gender, preferences, and now they also have the mac address of your phone so they know when you are anywhere near any of their stores.  If a retailer has this information, you can bet your arse the security services have access to a huge number of such networks, thereby rendering your location largely traceable 24h a day - should they be interested.  However, they've always been able to do that with mobiles using basic triangulation using three cells.  Once your phone can see three masts, your location is known.

I've always known mobiles are traceable, but today I was blown away by how easy it is.  If you think that MI5 are after you, take the tinfoil hat off your head and wrap it around your bloody mobile !

holnrew

I use the WiFi in Tesco, because there's a weak mobile signal. I bet they do that on purpose.

stickyfiddle

I turn my wifi off to save battery

Axe_meister

Have you heard about the latest way modern dating apps can help you stalk somebody. All you need is three sperate IDs and a bit of leg work.
Find somebody in your area. Your told say they are 1KM away. Use a second ID walk around a bit and try again. Again you get a distance reading. Do it again you get a third reading. Now you can triangulate very accurately.

dogload

Axe_meister said:

Have you heard about the latest way modern dating apps can help you stalk somebody. All you need is three sperate IDs and a bit of leg work.
Find somebody in your area. Your told say they are 1KM away. Use a second ID walk around a bit and try again. Again you get a distance reading. Do it again you get a third reading. Now you can triangulate very accurately.

OK... you've tried?

Axe_meister

Was mention in the register yesturday.

xmrchi

Axe_meister;488188" said:

Have you heard about the latest way modern dating apps can help you stalk somebody. All you need is three sperate IDs and a bit of leg work.
Find somebody in your area. Your told say they are 1KM away. Use a second ID walk around a bit and try again. Again you get a distance reading. Do it again you get a third reading. Now you can triangulate very accurately.

Thanks for that, my weekend is now going to be very busy!

d8m

spacecadet

It's a system that Experian sell. My mate was telling me about it. It goes far deeper than that now. 

Have you noticed that when you're looking for something online, shortly after you start seeing adverts for what you were looking at pop up on your facebook feed as well as ebay etc. 

The new thing which will be rolled out soon is adverts that are aimed specifically at you. So when you're sat watching Coronation Street, your set of adverts will be different to your neighbours etc. It's all very interesting stuff. 

EricTheWeary

A friend of mine was on the jury for a kidnapping trial in 2014. Pretty much the evidence for the prosecution was plotting were the gang was according to their mobile phones over the days involved, triangulating their position minute by minute from the masts.

ICBM

EricTheWeary said:

A friend of mine was on the jury for a kidnapping trial in 2014. Pretty much the evidence for the prosecution was plotting were the gang was according to their mobile phones over the days involved, triangulating their position minute by minute from the masts.

As far as I understand it this - as well as intercepts of the conversations, which are technically inadmissable as evidence - is part of the reason the police know exactly who is responsible for the Omagh bombing.

VimFuego

don't have a wifi phone (heh, barely have a phone as it is, only turn it on a few times a week at most, no mobile signal in the bunker). The illuminati/lizard people/PTB are gonna have to work a whole lot harder to get me.

dafuzz

Of course any criminal (who isn't a complete spaz) will just buy a PAYG burner phone and not use wifi or anything like that.

The argument the government use to justify ever increasing surveillance is complete nonsense (notice it happened after 9/11, again after Lee Rigby and now again after Charlie Hebdo, yet it's never enough) and it annoys me that people swallow it. @d8m 's Big Brother pic is bang on the money.

stickyfiddle

They're trying to get backdoor access to every online message service now too. Bloody charming. 

d8m

stickyfiddle;488419" said:

They're trying to get backdoor access to every online message service now too. Bloody charming. 

Aslong as we keep our backs to the wall we should be ok.

All a bit panopticon for my liking though.

axisus

stickyfiddle said:

They're trying to get backdoor access to every online message service now too. Bloody charming. 

Yeah, be very cautious if your doctor suggests a prostate examination .......

chillidoggy

What I want to know is who's monitoring all this info? I'm thinking it's probably contracted out to a fully-staffed BT call-centre in Mumbai, or Kabul.

VimFuego

nah, it'll be some check shirted hipster marketing types in some soho new media marketing agency, looking for novel ways to convince you to buy shit you don't need.

Axe_meister

All done by bloody big in memory database and analysis systems.

Systems I'm putting in can analyse 6billion rows of data in just under a minute, send alerts

to specific employees or email customers with latest offers that are relevant to them. 

PolarityMan

spacecadet said:

It's a system that Experian sell. My mate was telling me about it. It goes far deeper than that now. 

Have you noticed that when you're looking for something online, shortly after you start seeing adverts for what you were looking at pop up on your facebook feed as well as ebay etc. 

The new thing which will be rolled out soon is adverts that are aimed specifically at you. So when you're sat watching Coronation Street, your set of adverts will be different to your neighbours etc. It's all very interesting stuff. 

That's so retarded, advertisers presumably paid a pretty penny to spend a month advertising 5" monitors to me on facebook *after* I already purchased some from here. Those ads are actually less relevant to me than any random ad they might decide to run.

The whole pay per click industry is pretty retarded in my view.

ESBlonde

Why have WiFi on all the time, save your battery. Same with locators only on if you use the sat nav app or the running app. Use disposable email/google accounts for everything phone related.
Never bank or buy online from a phone device.
Turn it off when you don't need it.

It may be inconvenient once in a while but being stalked or having your details stolen is a might more inconvenient.