Gibson Les Paul 60 burst in Toronto

capo4th

Check out these threads on LPF interesting read about a dealer selling this guitar for $130000 if you like that sort of thing. 

Very pic heavy and some real knowledgable people on LPF.

 Debate gets heated but they act like men and keep it real.

Apologies if already posted the guitar had a few minor issues...

xmrchi

No links?
Love the little dig about the debates.....

capo4th

Google the thread title please I didn't want to link to other forum and get in any bover with the mods

underdog

capo4th;652192" said:

Google the thread title please I didn't want to link to other forum and get in any bover with the mods

You wouldn't, it's not like that here.

capo4th

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=les+paul+60+burst+toronto

Here you go google is wonderful

Scary business these guitar makers can pull off anything. A builder, an authenticator and a dealer ...

capo4th

Just noticed I am on 666 frets!

underdog

I just want to know who bought it now

littlegreenman

underdog said:

I just want to know who bought it now

Doesn't look like it was JoBo so far, but then I'm only on page 5 so far.

iseverynamegone

Didn't know Music Ground had a Toronto office.

ICBM

capo4th said:

Apologies if already posted the guitar had a few minor issues…

lol

It looks like a nice guitar actually. Just not one made in 1960.

underdog

ICBM;652274" said:

capo4th said:





Apologies if already posted the guitar had a few minor issues…





lol



It looks like a nice guitar actually. Just not one made in 1960.

and thus not worth the $240,000 it's suggested someone paid for it

iseverynamegone

If Alex Lifeson has bought that I pity da fool who has ripped him off .

richardhomer

Whether this guitar is genuine or not - the truth is you'd be mad to take the risk of buying one of these, given the potential to be conned.

The only vintage guitars I'd consider now are the ones which aren't 'that' valuable - so they are not worth faking.

ICBM

richardhomer said:

Whether this guitar is genuine or not - the truth is you'd be mad to take the risk of buying one of these, given the potential to be conned.

Unless you're rich enough that it doesn't really matter, and the guitar is genuine beyond question - eg Kirk Hammett buying the Peter Green one. Even if some of the remaining original parts have apparently been removed since Gary Moore owned it… I don't think Hammett would care since that's not why he bought it.

This one has such obvious giveaways that anyone who has done the slightest amount of research should have been able to spot it though.

iseverynamegone

$240k doesn't buy you as much mojo as it used to.

littlegreenman

And as an aside, can we have GIF avatars please, I want the one CDaughtry has

WezV

Does make me laugh when they go on about the binding scraping being wrong though.

Anyone who has scraped binding knows consistency is hard. Somebody doing it as their day job may be more consistent, but I bet they still had the odd pub lunch or day they should have called in sick.

ICBM

WezV said:

Does make me laugh when they go on about the binding scraping being wrong though.

Anyone who has scraped binding knows consistency is hard. Somebody doing it as their day job may be more consistent, but I bet they still had the odd pub lunch or day they should have called in sick.

Or when they don't have the blindingly obvious wrong bridge alignment in giant capital letters at the top of any of the lists of faults...

Trotter

Interesting read that, thanks

capo4th

What was surprising was that even to me the guitar looked like a brand new guitar rather than a 55 year old guitar. Wood and nitro and paint changes over time and the electronics looked mint.

 I am staggered someone was taken in and they must have really trusted the paperwork with the guitar. Makes me think twice about a lot of the high end used gear you see on fleabay.

Skipped

I started to wonder about this stuff (even more than usual) during a LPF thread, maybe 2 years ago in which Richard Henry pointed out that a guitar which had been authenticated by Joe Ganzler was not real.

I reckon that if you bought a guitar new in 1960 you can be pretty sure that the widow's peak in the cavity is not faked. I have no intention of buying a 'Burst, ever, even if I win the lottery. A few years ago I made the astonishing discovery that a 52/53 Les Paul with a neck re-set (and PAFs or PAF clones) feels like a 57 to 60 Gibson Les Paul. I don't know why I was astonished..... because why would this not be the case??
Anyway....that happened during a holiday in Chicago when a guy in a guitar shop handed me a "Burst" and then 5 minutes later pointed out to me that it was about one fifth of the price of a "Burst" because...... it was in fact......a Conversion. $60k was still too much for me but later the market crashed, and forum regulars will know that I bought one later after a long search.

I upset somebody on LPF by pointing out that a Conversion, with provenance from the guy that did the Conversion (preferably Dave Johnson or Scott Lentz) is a more reliable proposition than a 'Burst which does not have really good provenance. Because, the guy who did the Conversion knows that the donor guitar was a 52/53 Les Paul. He knows that because he removed the neck. And the paint!!! Forensic examinations don't get much deeper than that. I admit that my line of argument was partially wind-up because some people hate Conversions even though they are just another player grade vintage guitar.