Les Paul Standard 2015 and G Force

eSully

I also got two fantastic guitars on sale thanks to everyone hating them so I guess I have a soft spot )

Evildurka

eSully;950662" said:

I also got two fantastic guitars on sale thanks to everyone hating them so I guess I have a soft spot )

Me too I have as mentioned a double cut special and a jnr. They are both cracking guitars and I am really liking the g-force as evidenced in my posts. I get people wanting the choice to have standard tuners and not liking the tech but it should not be disregarded.

Wazmeister

It's a bloody great system imho... And i dont like Gibbos. Ive actually now got 2 great examples... A sea green classic, and a magnificent (and i mean that) LP Jr.

FOLLOW THE MANUAL. It works. Simple as.

Granted, i like me tunings, and play a fair bit in DADGAD.

Honestly, Im amazed at how good it is. As ever, YMMV

neil68

Just had mine delivered and charging the battery now. I take it tuning by hand is a big no no while I wait?

iain.reverb

neil68 said:

Just had mine delivered and charging the battery now. I take it tuning by hand is a big no no while I wait?

Don't try and tune it by hand 

neil68

iain.reverb said:

Don't try and tune it by hand 

Thanks. I noticed a youtube vid with the guy holding one of the pegs in a screenshot, but thought best not to

eSully

neil68 said:

iain.reverb said:

Don't try and tune it by hand 

Thanks. I noticed a youtube vid with the guy holding one of the pegs in a screenshot, but thought best not to

Not correct. You can tune and make adjustments by hand as long as the system isn't in operation/turned on. 

http://www.gibson.com/news-lifestyle/features/en-us/five-myths-busted-gibson-g-force.aspx

neil68

eSully said:

Not correct. You can tune and make adjustments by hand as long as the system isn't in operation/turned on. 

http://www.gibson.com/news-lifestyle/features/en-us/five-myths-busted-gibson-g-force.aspx

Now, I did wonder about that too, but if that's the case, why do people replace them ... although I suppose aesthetics does come into it

neil68

and looking at some of the comments on that link, the pegs are prone to breaking when manually tuning.

eSully

neil68 said:

eSully said:

Not correct. You can tune and make adjustments by hand as long as the system isn't in operation/turned on. 

http://www.gibson.com/news-lifestyle/features/en-us/five-myths-busted-gibson-g-force.aspx

Now, I did wonder about that too, but if that's the case, why do people replace them ... although I suppose aesthetics does come into it

Yea. Aesthetics maybe. Some I guess replace them as they want less moving parts on their guitars and less things that could go wrong. FWIW I have used the g force for a year now on my trad and I love it. I haven't had any problems. Some people did, maybe not all units worked perfectly. Give them a chance. Follow the instructions and if their not for you they're very easy to replace. 

neil68

I'll definitely give them a chance. I never had the patience to try different tunings, so this'll help me try (and murder) a few tunes I've bypassed 

redrighthand

I had that issue on a guitar I had - basically one of the tuners was broken so struggled to tune the low e. It was pretty obvious something was wrong with it - as you could hear the gears grinding. Gibson customer service were very helpful.

otherwise as folks have said, give the battery a charge. 

neil68

redrighthand said:

I had that issue on a guitar I had - basically one of the tuners was broken so struggled to tune the low e. It was pretty obvious something was wrong with it - as you could hear the gears grinding. Gibson customer service were very helpful.

otherwise as folks have said, give the battery a charge. 

yeah, when I first tried it, the bottom E nearly unwound itself before I looked into the battery situation. to be fair, the manual does say charge before use

WezV

Yes, You can tune by hand...but attempting it once will convince you its a terrible idea.   The ratio is huge so it takes a lot of turns, and every one will set your teeth on edge as you do it

neil68

haha! just gave it a go as the bottom e was hanging off, but then read the fast wind up/down bit in the maual

ICBM

neil68 said:

Now, I did wonder about that too, but if that's the case, why do people replace them ...

Because sometimes they break or stop working properly. On at least one of the ones that's come through the shop to be removed, the fault was that when you press the 'tune' button, five strings tune themselves and the other one unwinds the string entirely - and yes, it was charged. That's not acceptable on a gigging guitar, for me. Other failures have also been reported.

They also feel truly horrible to tune manually as Wez said - a sort of grating action which feels like it could be doing damage to the mechanism, even though it may not be - and they take a lot of turning, since the ratio is very high. And they turn the wrong way - which is annoying, if you're used to quickly tuning other guitars.

I was serious about suggesting that anyone who likes them buys a spare unit - although it's possible that they will be superseded by something that fits the same mounting holes, it's also possible that the whole idea will fizzle out and leave you with something that can't be repaired. It would be a good idea to prepare for that, given the number of unused or slightly-used ones on the market now.

menamestom

ICBM said:

http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/ewifosijgd.jpg

Problem solved.

I've just got a Midtown with Gforce tuners installed and planned to do straight change to grovers, but having priced them up and used the Gforce for a bit struggle to see the point, for now.  Grovers look better but the Gforce works really well, so the way I see it I may as well use the thing until it breaks.  I'd sell the Gforce, but they are not worth much, so it would cost to swap out something that works pretty good.