I;d like some opinions. Is this a fair trade?

guitars4you

Strangefan said:

@guitars4you has nailed it, I gotta say we're lucky to have a dealer on here who is down the line and actively contributes without pushing his wares, the forums better for it, ................................now how about a nice discount :P

Ta - off topic here - but I enjoy it - almost a year now and appreciate blogs in many ways and feel I've learnt a lot as well - Plus met a few new faces so I'm a converted fan - Would I lie and say I've not had any business from FB ? and as such I can't say that is or was not part of my intentions when I joined - But I think it is more than that and I respect FB and its members for that - I enjoy the time on it and would far more spend time on FB then Twitter and Face Book anyd ay - thanks

Did I ignore the bit about the discount ????????

AndrewM

guitars4you said:

AndrewM said:

I got the PRS in a trade, for a Mayones Regius 6.

What do you mean by MEs are Paul's 59 LPs? I'm not that clued up on guitar markets as you can tell  

Just in my view that all the praise that is thrown by Gibson lovers at a 59 LP for all that they possess, then in my view  the PRS Modern Eagle deserves the same plaudits etc

I'm still surprised they are for sale around 3-4K and what have expected prices to be higher tan this - so time will tell

I see! I thought they were a dud or something.

guitars4you

AndrewM said:

guitars4you said:

AndrewM said:

I got the PRS in a trade, for a Mayones Regius 6.

What do you mean by MEs are Paul's 59 LPs? I'm not that clued up on guitar markets as you can tell  

Just in my view that all the praise that is thrown by Gibson lovers at a 59 LP for all that they possess, then in my view  the PRS Modern Eagle deserves the same plaudits etc

I'm still surprised they are for sale around 3-4K and what have expected prices to be higher tan this - so time will tell

I see! I thought they were a dud or something.

no - far from it

Neil

If you only want the Strat and Explorer perhaps do a deal where he gives you some cash on top for the trade?

AndrewM

I already suggested that, he's not interested. I doubt I'm going to do it, I already said no, but I was GAS-ing over the pictures he sent me this morning and was starting to change my mind again.

Strat_a_tat_tat

Strangefan said:

I personally dont think their worth as much as yours, especially with the £200 on top the faded LP is very much low end of gibson, the explorer well not really desirable these days , and a Strat is a strat. 
Les Paul: £450
Fender Strat £500
Explorer £500 to £650

Minus £200 = £1550 for yours, I personally wouldn't as for me its 3 Meh guitars for one stunner.

To me, those estimates look about right-ish (perhaps a bit generous for the Explorer - as there are a few going at discounted prices new)... but I'm not sure I understand the maths.

Total of the 3 guitars - using your values - are £1450 to £1600... then take off the £200 cash contribution... and the offer looks more like £1250 to £1400 for the PRS.

Am I missing something?

ICBM

guitars4you said:

So on paper it might not be a bad deal, but I would not do it - plus then you have the potential of 3 guitars to sell - so 3 times the hassle

As a dealer you're right, but as a private seller I would say it's easier to sell three £500 guitars than one £1500 guitar (assuming all are priced fairly).

If you want to keep one or two of the guitars it's even easier.

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

Total of the 3 guitars - using your values - are £1450 to £1600... then take off the £200 cash contribution... and the offer looks more like £1250 to £1400 for the PRS.

Am I missing something?

I don't think so, those are roughly the values I thought too. I think the deal is very fair - as in equally fair to both parties - ie no-one is coming out ahead, not a "bite his hand off and run away" deal.

AndrewM

Does the rosewood neck not make my PRS worth more?

Voxman

AndrewM said:

Does the rosewood neck not make my PRS worth more?

Not at the moment because all the Cu24's/Cu22's etc have rosewood necks, but as the wood restrictions 'bite' manufacturers will be forced to consider other options. Top PRS eg Modern Eagles fingerboards and necks are typically made using Brazillian Rosewood which is more expensive, rarer, and more desirable than Indian rosewood.  Indian rosewood is the most common fingerboard wood - although 'nothing special' at the moment, it will become more desireable than alternatives such as baked maple. Other woods used are ebony (eg LP Customs) and maple (strats, tele's etc).  

How long new production guitars will continue with these 'traditional' woods will largely depend on current stocks, legal availability, and interpretation of legislation.  

Once all wells are dry so to speak and new guitars are largely made with 'alternative materials', then all guitars with 'traditional woods' will likely see some uplift in value - but when & how much will have to be seen. 

Voxman

Thought you might be interested in these Anderton blog articles on fingerboard material:

https://blog.andertons.co.uk/guitars/fretboard-tone-wood-guide

https://blog.andertons.co.uk/guitars/gibson-baked-maple-fingerboard-guide

AndrewM

They all have rosewood fingerboards, mine is a solid rosewood neck!

bobliefeld

I wouldn't do it purely because it's 3 guitars. 

No one trades 3 good guitars in one go. If I really, really wanted your PRS I could part with one guitar that I love. Maybe. Absolutely no way i could part with 3 good guitars in one go. It's all 216 stuff too...played them a bit, they're no good, get rid.. it's one of those "a bunch of stuff I've got laying around" trades. And he wants £200 too? You'd have to be insane 

monquixote

You can only play one guitar at a time so I'd always have one great guitar over 3 mediocre ones.

richardhomer

monquixote said:

You can only play one guitar at a time so I'd always have one great guitar over 3 mediocre ones.

Absolutely agree. 

I don't regret my CS Strat - but there are plenty of cheaper guitars that I've lost money on that weren't such great buys....

AndrewM

bobliefeld said:

I wouldn't do it purely because it's 3 guitars. 

No one trades 3 good guitars in one go. If I really, really wanted your PRS I could part with one guitar that I love. Maybe. Absolutely no way i could part with 3 good guitars in one go. It's all 216 stuff too...played them a bit, they're no good, get rid.. it's one of those "a bunch of stuff I've got laying around" trades. And he wants £200 too? You'd have to be insane 

This is a great point!

ICBM

AndrewM said:

Does the rosewood neck not make my PRS worth more?

Yes, probably a bit. That's why I said £1300 instead of £1200.

It's hard to get more than £1200 for a PRS Custom at the moment.

bobliefeld said:

I wouldn't do it purely because it's 3 guitars. 

No one trades 3 good guitars in one go.

They do if it's for something they really want.

Also, the difference between an average guitar and a good one is usually the set-up.

Obviously it's up to you, but if it was me I would do the swap, sell the one I like least and then think about selling the one I like second least, and end up around £800 better off having swapped a hard guitar to sell for something you actually want.

You have more than one PRS anyway...

usedtobe

I'd swap. But then I don't like PRS's. Then I'd have to swap the Strat for an SG...  

Garthy

I'd rather keep the PRS and have it perpetually on sale for a price you'd be willing to let it go for. If it doesn't sell you still have a stunning guitar.

beowulf

If you already have 2 other PRSs and don't use this one much, and you fancy a bit more variety then I think it's a no brainer. I think your PRS is stunning, but if you aren't using it and you'd quite like 2 of his 3 (and the gibson will be easy to shift) then that seals it for me. Say deal but £100 cash his way, final offer.

AndrewM

He's now offering me a Les Paul Deluxe plus the Explorer in a straight trade.

Is that better or worse?