Alien: Covenant

Bidley

Prometheus is the sort of film that people who get a hard-on over criticising film feasibility and the like go mental over.

I quite liked the fact that it posed far more questions than answers. It didn't feel like your typical summer blockbuster with lazy plot-holes.

guitargeek62

Longtallronnie said:

Yeah, Neill Blomkamp is directing Alien 5 which will feature Ripley and Hicks so Weaver and Biehn are back and the last two sequels will be ignored. Got high hopes for that one too.

Didn't that get canned again?

fretmeister

Bidley said:

Prometheus is the sort of film that people who get a hard-on over criticising film feasibility and the like go mental over.

I quite liked the fact that it posed far more questions than answers. It didn't feel like your typical summer blockbuster with lazy plot-holes.

It has its own brand of plot holes instead.

Millions of them.

freakboy1610

Can't wait for Alien Covenant. I liked Prometheus! I think I read that the Alien 5 thing has been scrapped. Going to Rogue One on Christmas Eve.

Bidley

fretmeister said:

Bidley said:

Prometheus is the sort of film that people who get a hard-on over criticising film feasibility and the like go mental over.

I quite liked the fact that it posed far more questions than answers. It didn't feel like your typical summer blockbuster with lazy plot-holes.

It has its own brand of plot holes instead.

Millions of them.

Yes, that's what I liked about it.

earwighoney

It's likely it will be ok not great. 

Alien was superb not just for the direction but for Dan O'Bannon's screenplay.  More often than not if you see a film which has several writers, especially the words 'Re Written' by, it's not going to be great.  John Logan who did the rewrite is ok, but not great to my tastes. 

Nothing will be as great as Alien, as without a writer of the calibre of Dan O'Bannon there will never be as robust a screenplay. 

boogieman

earwighoney said:

It's likely it will be ok not great. 

Alien was superb not just for the direction but for Dan O'Bannon's screenplay.  More often than not if you see a film which has several writers, especially the words 'Re Written' by, it's not going to be great.  John Logan who did the rewrite is ok, but not great to my tastes. 

Nothing will be as great as Alien, as without a writer of the calibre of Dan O'Bannon there will never be as robust a screenplay. 

The original Alien also had the shock value of a new concept on its side. I can remember being scared stiff watching it at the cinema. None of the sequels were quite as good...you kind of know what will happen. 

Bidley

boogieman said:

None of the sequels were quite as good...you kind of know what will happen. 

That's probably because they all had a totally different tone to the original.

Longtallronnie

Alien 5 has been postponed until after Covenant and is still going ahead afaik. 

Not a shot at anyone but I do wonder how many plot holes in any film are actually noticed while watching instead of reading about afterwards. 
I must admit, if I've enjoyed a film I usually head straight to t'internet to find out all I can about it, see what I missed etc. 

Snap

I'm a big Alien fan, and for me, all the films have their good points, even Resurrection. I wathced Alien again the other night, its a fantastic film.

As for Prometheus, I really enjoyed it. All of it.

Longtallronnie

The first two are the easily the best. I liked the idea of 3 but the fx haven't aged well and the acting's pretty bad. Resurrection was enjoyable but too cheesy and the hybrid alien at the end pretty much ruined it for me. 
Prometheus' biggest problem for me is that it's not a direct prequel but not different enough to be something else entirely. 
The original script had some great ideas that helped to explain the xeno's origins and also a lot of the plot holes that infuriated so many people. 
I watched a good video about on YT, I'll post if I can find it. 

mellowsun

plot holes in Prometheus weren't the problem, it was the lack of any characterisation or sense. Plus the needless comic relief. Maybe the scriptwriter intended it to be played for laughs, I don't know.

 Amazing to look at though on the big screen in 3D.

Longtallronnie

But those the characters are different in the original draft, honestly, the original version is very different. No black goo or giant vagina squid monsters for a start! 

Longtallronnie

I realise I'm starting to sound like a fanboi but it's more out of frustration because as much I liked Prometheus, I wish they'd gone with the earlier version. 

DrJazzTap

You have to admit that casting Fassbender as an android was pretty inspired.

I'm looking forward to this, after watching all of the alien films back to back last year. Prometheus is not the weakest of the bunch. If Ridley is back on form then it should be pretty good.

earwighoney

DrJazzTap said:

I'm looking forward to this, after watching all of the alien films back to back last year. Prometheus is not the weakest of the bunch. If Ridley is back on form then it should be pretty good.

Ridley Scott is an amazing director when it comes to visuals and creating a cinematic world, but he needs a decent screenwriter - e.g. Drew Goddard for The Martian etc 

DrJazzTap

earwighoney said:

DrJazzTap said:

I'm looking forward to this, after watching all of the alien films back to back last year. Prometheus is not the weakest of the bunch. If Ridley is back on form then it should be pretty good.

Ridley Scott is an amazing director when it comes to visuals and creating a cinematic world, but he needs a decent screenwriter - e.g. Drew Goddard for The Martian etc 

I was literally about to write the same thing

english_bob

Longtallronnie said:

I liked Prometheus but found it a bit frustrating. I've got a copy of the original Jon Spaihts script, Alien: Engineers, before Damon Lindelof got involved. It links to the Alien films much better than the final draft. 

Linky:

 http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGINAL-PROMETHEUS-SCRIPT.pdf

CHRISB50

english_bob said:

Longtallronnie said:

I liked Prometheus but found it a bit frustrating. I've got a copy of the original Jon Spaihts script, Alien: Engineers, before Damon Lindelof got involved. It links to the Alien films much better than the final draft. 

Linky:

 http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGINAL-PROMETHEUS-SCRIPT.pdf

Cheers for that.

english_bob

CHRISB50 said:

english_bob said:

Longtallronnie said:

I liked Prometheus but found it a bit frustrating. I've got a copy of the original Jon Spaihts script, Alien: Engineers, before Damon Lindelof got involved. It links to the Alien films much better than the final draft. 

Linky:

 http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGINAL-PROMETHEUS-SCRIPT.pdf

Cheers for that.

You're welcome. I hadn't read it myself so I was interested to see it. Currently about 80 pages in.

FYI the first fifty-odd pages are substantially similar to the finished film, aside from a couple of things that will probably turn out to foreshadow something different at the end.