Fretboard Jam 2017 - Song List Thread - Running Order V4

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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    Alnico said:

    If anyone suggests 'Beigeplay' in any way, shape or form I WILL shoot them.
    :)
    Ftfy
    My point entirely.
    LOL.
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    Ok,............UPDATE !

    I've been discussing this with the other two behind the scenes and we've agreed that we should close the suggestions for the songs now, contrary to what I just posted a little earlier.

    It was said that a list too large will make our job more difficult to choose the right songs and we're only looking for between 12 and 15 songs as a base to stand on, so to speak.
    From that list that we choose, there'll be enough to cover a few different genres and ability levels and we also need to remember that we only have 5 hours, there's a lot of social activity going on and there's inevitably going to be setting up time in between songs etc PLUS we want time for some much more basic jamming with beginners and with the amount of gear that's coming along, there's also that aspect as well so..........

    We'll spend a day or few going through the suggestions and see what's going to work, then come back here and discuss it with you lot and we'll go from there.
    We've got almost 50 now so there's plenty for us to work with behind the scenes and the point of stopping the suggestions now (Which Is a good point that my burned out brain hadn't taken into account) is that we've already got a lot to discuss in terms of picking the right songs to accommodate everyone whilst remembering it's a Jam session, not a showcase.

    I hope that makes sense to you all and thanks to everyone who's given some input here.
    We'll get back to you all here in a day or few to discuss a refined list of sings and then whoever needs help with them can freely discuss that and ask here. That's what this thread is for.

    Ok?

    Cool.
    :)
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • VinylfanVinylfan Frets: 5
    Cool indeed.  Massive thanks for being the grown-ups here and organising this and all the behind the scenes work too.  Thanks also for keeping the beginners in mind - that's a big part of why I signed up.
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  • fandangofandango Frets: 704
    Oh, things move so quickly when at work... 

    I was going to suggest Hawkwind's Silver Machine, but hey ho ....

    "A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open." (Frank Zappa)
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  • Most Snow Patrol stuff are not very taxing to play.

    I won't put in any suggestions as they will start of a wave of 'eh!, who, wtf' comments :s 

    If Helter Skelter was on the list I would jump at the chance to sing it.

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 11234
    Vinylfan said:
    Cool indeed.  Massive thanks for being the grown-ups here and organising this and all the behind the scenes work too.  Thanks also for keeping the beginners in mind - that's a big part of why I signed up.
    I've wanted to do one for a while, and as said earlier - if it's a success I'll do more and in other locations for others to have a go at
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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    Vinylfan said:
    Cool indeed.  Massive thanks for being the grown-ups here and organising this and all the behind the scenes work too.  Thanks also for keeping the beginners in mind - that's a big part of why I signed up.
    I've wanted to do one for a while, and as said earlier - if it's a success I'll do more and in other locations for others to have a go at
    +1

    Those who came along to the Jam Sessions I ran in 2015 know how much I loved doing this for you all until my health got in the way.
    To be able to do it again and also have the support and help of @Bridgehouse ; and @octatonic has made it much more of a practical reality and more of an event than I could possibly have organised on my own.

    The success of this and repeat future events is something I want to be a big part of.
    My personal thanks to those two for being such great support in many ways throughout this great event.
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • bigjonbigjon Frets: 589
    I have about 300 songs in my repertoire that I sing at gigs with my NO REHEARSAL EVER band. You can view them at
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCjKJEglc8468JQwEG7fyunIC-bqUEcBYZLXZJhtrZo
    The first 180 songs I have marked in as jammable - playable off the bat with me just shouting out the chords, or maybe a very simple chord sheet. The next 60 or so are semi-jammable - would probably need to have basic chordsheets. The rest would need chordsheets with a structure of verse, chorus, middle8, chords for solo, etc.

    I suggest you make a large selection of these available for people to play along with - there's already some overlap with Alnico's list ;-) 

    BTW, my request to do Another Brick hasn't made it onto your list yet, Alnico! :-)
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  • bigjonbigjon Frets: 589
    A suggestion I have from jam sessions I have done in the past is to have a "Last number" where everyone who wants to takes a solo and everyone who wants to takes a turn playing rhythm behind the soloists. It makes for a really satisfying climax to the session.

    There are loads of likely candidates on the list I linked to in the post above, but my top pick would be "Comfortably Numb" - the end solo has very easy chords that go by at a steady pace, it's inspiring to play and listen to, and easy enough that everyone's most basic B minor pentatonic licks will sound great :-)
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 1334
    bigjon said:
    I have about 300 songs in my repertoire that I sing at gigs with my NO REHEARSAL EVER band. You can view them at
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCjKJEglc8468JQwEG7fyunIC-bqUEcBYZLXZJhtrZo

    Can I keep a copy of that @bigjon ?


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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    bigjon said:
    A suggestion I have from jam sessions I have done in the past is to have a "Last number" where everyone who wants to takes a solo and everyone who wants to takes a turn playing rhythm behind the soloists. It makes for a really satisfying climax to the session.

    There are loads of likely candidates on the list I linked to in the post above, but my top pick would be "Comfortably Numb" - the end solo has very easy chords that go by at a steady pace, it's inspiring to play and listen to, and easy enough that everyone's most basic B minor pentatonic licks will sound great :-)
    I'll talk to the other two about that.

    We said we'll choose from the list we have but if there is the opportunity and time to do that, it's not a bad idea and 'Comfy' is a fairly good song to do it with.

    For the beginners who might feel daunted by a Pink Floyd song, the chords for that and the basic rhythm is not difficult so if you were to play in the situation Jon is talking about there, you'll be playing alongside lots of other people, all of which you can watch and follow, there's not that many chords to remember and because you're not the only rhythm guitarist you can always turn your guitar's volume down a bit of you're not sure or until you are..........etc

    What I'm saying here is don't worry.

    Also swapping solo's is a stage technique that's good for everyone to watch and learn so even if you're not going to take a solo, it's still good to watch how it's done. Everyone's style varies so different players will take and then 'Hand-Over' a solo a slightly different way.

    As an idea Jon I quite like it so I'll talk about it and we'll keep it as an idea for the last song. I'm not saying we will do it but if we can it's a good one to do.
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 13541
    bigjon said:
    I have about 300 songs in my repertoire that I sing at gigs with my NO REHEARSAL EVER band. You can view them at
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCjKJEglc8468JQwEG7fyunIC-bqUEcBYZLXZJhtrZo

    That's an incredibly useful list & links - thanks for sharing @bigjon.


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  • slackerslacker Frets: 847
    Alnico said:
    Ok done.

    On a slightly more boring, practical level.......

    We're approaching 50 songs now.

    We won't be picking 50 songs and we won't be learning anywhere near that many so, by all means keep the suggestions coming everyone but PLEASE do remember that this weekend we have to pick realistic songs that are easy enough for people to actually pull off in a band context having never rehearsed together and had only had around 6 weeks to practice them.

    SNIP

    If anyone suggests 'Coldplay' in any way, shape or form I WILL shoot them.
    :)
    It's tempting for people to pick songs they like, instead of songs that are easy. Also people will be listening to them, so a 30 min Generic Dentist Blues in E is going to sound boring quick. Also trying Bohemium Rapsody is going to crash and burn.  So my suggestions including ones I dont like are... 

    All Right Now (shudder) in A 3 chords and a fairly easy solo if you dont try the vibrato. 
    It Dont Matter Now by George Ezra not everyones cup of tea but in E 3 chords and the relative minor, minimum words and scope for solos as the main riff is E and A. Also it's not Blooze which is fine and dandy. 
    Cuz I Luv You Slade 3 chords in D minor with scope for improv and again not Blooze. 
    Black Magic Woman Fleetwood Mac. Very much a blues jam in Dm. Improv city for sunburst LP old geezers. 
    Gimme Shelter basically one chord, easy to solo over and in C#m I'm specifically picking different keys. 
    American Woman-Guess Who. One riff B D E. Scope for solos. 
    I Need You tonight INXS basically one chord. 





    Stolen from the list

    Ever fall in love E
    Pretty vacant A 
    Free Fallin F?
    500 miles E (less than jake version with feedback, lovely). 


    I'm not going to get sulky if none of these are chosen but the principle I believe is to give those of us who are lacking in confidence (including me) something easy to play to and/or solo over or at least watch others do it and learn. 




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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    slacker said:

    ........................the principle I believe is to give those of us who are lacking in confidence (including me) something easy to play to and/or solo over or at least watch others do it and learn. 




    That's exactly what we are doing.

    Also, as has already been said the 'Songs to learn' element is just one part of the day so we're picking out about 12-15 songs from the list which we jointly decided yesterday to close as it approached 50 songs.
    We've got enough suggestions now.
    We're working on which songs that'll be over these next few days and we'll post them here on Sunday/Monday.
    As well as the songs there'll be some tuition of some description for the absolute beginners and *some* generic jamming but i agree, too much of 12 bar blues is going to get boring. That was indeed why we decided to give the jam some structure in the first place.

    I'll put those songs you suggested on a backup list but as of yesterday we already had more than enough to choose from and as has been said a few times now, the day is being structured for everyone, not just the beginners. We want to encourage those who don't have a lot of experience and we want to see them enjoy themselves and gain some experience but there's also going to be some seasoned talent there too and we want to give those guys a chance to show what's possible whilst enjoying themselves in the process. It's fair to say that the more experienced players are putting in some effort to help the beginners and we want those guys to have something that fits their level just as much as we want the new guys to have something they feel confident with.

    The overall view is that the day is for everyone and with the entire afternoon and all that's going on as well as the music, we think there will be something for everyone there.

    Does that make sense?
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • slackerslacker Frets: 847
    Makes sense to me. 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 11234
    I've edited the thread title to close the song suggestions for the moment - we have a big list to look through, co-ordinate and then get a definitive list together.

    I'm conscious that we need to get a whole bunch of materials together for everyone to look through and learn as they want to - and so to do this, we need a little bit of time to do some admin and sort stuff out.

    Once we have done this (day jobs permitting!) we will publish a suggested list for comment/discussion, but in essence to ensure we can have a manageable day (30 people over 5 hours is a lot of organising, even on the day!) we need to stick to a reasonably tight list. 


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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 1334
    I've edited the thread title to close the song suggestions for the moment - we have a big list to look through, co-ordinate and then get a definitive list together.

    I'm conscious that we need to get a whole bunch of materials together for everyone to look through and learn as they want to - and so to do this, we need a little bit of time to do some admin and sort stuff out.

    Once we have done this (day jobs permitting!) we will publish a suggested list for comment/discussion, but in essence to ensure we can have a manageable day (30 people over 5 hours is a lot of organising, even on the day!) we need to stick to a reasonably tight list. 


    Thanks for all the work you guys are putting in, I'm really looking forward to the day :)
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 13541
    I've edited the thread title to close the song suggestions for the moment 
    I've closed the thread to hold back the flood of suggestions.
    ;)

    Let me know when all the jury votes have been submitted and counted, and you're ready to publish the results.


    "Nul points".
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 13541
    Re-opened for Mr @Bridgehouse.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 11234
    TTony said:
    Re-opened for Mr @Bridgehouse.
    Thanks @TTony!
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 13541
    Is OK ... my fingers are twitching - a condition that I expect will only be resolved when I see the song list (at which point, fingers will freeze up in fright).
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 11234
    Song list will be out tomorrow.

    Slight delay due to real life. 

    Normal service to be resumed..
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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    Song list will be out tomorrow.

    Slight delay due to real life. 

    Normal service to be resumed..
    Meds forced sleep at 7pm tonight after none since someday a few ago, lost track of actual days and nights right now.
    Just woken up after knocking myself out with diazepam earlier this evening.

    New Coffee IV being fitted as we speak then song list posted within an hour as a starting point for us to GENTLY move forward from one step at a time, if any.

    Coffee first...........not negotiable.

    :)
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 11234
    And just to state - part of the reason we have gone off to produce the list is that there are some members who are going to learn all of them for the backing band - we do have to bear this in mind when picking the list, and most importantly, sticking to it. 

    I'm sure everyone will find something that they like on there. It's harsh, but there's a lot of material to get sorted to a standard that will make it worthwhile for the newcomers to play along with, and for a bass player/drummer/keys player it can be quite a bit of additional work to get 20+ songs down. 


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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    edited July 2017
    Ok....

    Here's 20 songs for the organisers to learn and for the 'Jammy Gits' to pick and choose from to learn.

    It's still a JAM so whilst we will learn the actual song, within the song we're slightly flexible as to how many bars the solo lasts, how many players take a solo and we'll show you how to adapt as you play in that situation - again this is one of the key points of this event,.......'How-To survive a Jam Session' and improvise on the spot

    I'll echo what the others have said, we're not trying to be too harsh with setting out things the way we are but we ARE trying to stay within Do-able, practical limitations given that real-life happens to us ALL in between.

    Have a look and spend the next few weeks REALLY practicing and enjoying doing so.

    We'll chat about the songs as we go......


    OFFICIAL SONG LIST FOR JAM SESSION

    Learning to Fly - Tom Petty

    Mustang Sally - Just about everyone

    Fortunate Son - CCR

    Allright Now - Free

    Cupids Dead - Extreme

    Cynical - Extreme

    Crossroads - Eric Clapton

    Midnight Hour - Wilson Picket

    Call me the Breeze - J.J.Cale

    Shake a Tailfeather - The Blues Brothers

    Testify - Rage Against The Machine

    Anarchy In The UK - Sex Pistols.

    Beat It - Michael Jackson

    Plug In Baby - Muse

    Sunshine of your Love - Cream

    Running Down a Dream - Tom Petty

    Foxy lady - Hendrix

    Hard to handle - Black Crowes

    Roadhouse Blues - The Doors

    Pretty Vacant - Sex Pistols


    You'll Notice that I haven't posted Key signatures next to them yet.

    That will be done once us 3 have discussed the best approach to that to make it as easy as possible for every one.
    Again, this is work on our part that we have to fit in.

    For now It won't hurt you to learn them as per the original record and for most of you, trying to figure that out by yourselves won't hurt you. You do after all have the internet right in front of you !

    Part of this requires work on your part so put some in yourselves for a day or so while we figure this out.

    If you learned a song in E and then we say we're actually going to play it in D then you've learned two valuable lessons throughout the process.

    1 - How to transpose something

    2 - What it's like to be in a real - life Band. This shit happens allthe time so suck that bit up and call it experience you've gained.


    Right.....

    GO !


    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • LegionreturnsLegionreturns Frets: 3876
    Sorry, just to clarify. Are we meant to pick now or try and learn as many as we can? 

    As I said before, I can already do the rhythm on a couple of these so I may volunteer for them or challenge myself to learn the lead part instead. 

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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 3989
    Sorry, just to clarify. Are we meant to pick now or try and learn as many as we can? 

    As I said before, I can already do the rhythm on a couple of these so I may volunteer for them or challenge myself to learn the lead part instead. 
    The Jam is still roughly 6 weeks away.
    For the next day or so, pick the songs that appeal to you and practice them.
    As we go forward through the next weeks, we can all narrow down our choices.

    One of my points is that as players it won't hurt to learn as much as you can whether you use it on the day or not.

    For now, just try to do what you're comfortable with.
    "Though much is taken, much abides; And though we are not now that strength which once moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield." - Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson.
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  • bigjonbigjon Frets: 589
    Once we're up and running I will get behind this list and work on it properly to everyone's benefit, but I'm disappointed that my one suggestion of Another Brick hasn't made it, and that someone else's suggestion of Superstition is also missing, both suggestions having been affirmed by Alnico when they were first made early on in the process. Meanwhile there are two Extreme songs in the list of 20, 10 percent is surely, ER, extreme??? Also two Tom Petty songs, which again is one to many.
    My proposal therefore - replace one of the Extreme songs with Another Brick and one of the Tom Petty songs with Superstition.
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  • bigjonbigjon Frets: 589
    Also there are two Sex Pistols songs! I enjoy the Sex Pistols in small doses! Both halves of that sentence are true! There isn't a single slow song / ballad in that list (likewise not a genuine funk song . . .) Surely it would be good to substitute one of the Pistols songs for the sake of variety through the 5 hours?!!
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 11276
    bigjon said:

    My proposal therefore - replace one of the Extreme songs with Another Brick and one of the Tom Petty songs with Superstition.
    Yeah, that's fair - I thought there'd be more songs. @Alnico - happy to replace Cynical with Another Brick in the Wall?
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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