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  • I'll be seeing that movie, he has been an influence on me since I first picked up a guitar.  Just as I was starting to be able to play a few chords "Sunshine of Your Love" hit the airwaves and motivated me something fierce.   Then a few years later "Layla" came on the radio and did it again.   He stands alongside a long list of greats that made me keep wanting to play. 

    Whoever called it "rush hour" should not be allowed to name anything else.

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  • Getting into Cream and the Bluesbreakers records fuelled my obsessive practice years. I was completely besotted with his playing - leading me through his influences and contemporaries too. 


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  • Absolutely cannot wait to see this. My all time favourite guitar player....
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  • HAL9000HAL9000 Frets: 3704
    Thanks for the heads up. Didn't know about this before - is this a movie for cinema? Or one of the TV networks?
    It might look like I'm listening to you, but in my head I'm playing my guitar.
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  • Ooooo, that looks good. 
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  • JDEJDE Frets: 645
    HAL9000 said:
    Thanks for the heads up. Didn't know about this before - is this a movie for cinema? Or one of the TV networks?
    As it's got a Showtime banner in the top right, I would imagine it will be on Netflix here. Maybe Sky Arts might buy it and show it.
    I would love a DVD release!!!
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2204
    Was one of them the snug bar at the Kings head?

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  • Awesome! Love a bit of EC
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1109
    edited September 2017
    How "documentary" will it be? Will it mention this? I know we all try to ignore politics when it comes to Music....but can we?
    I'm really not meaning to troll here, but I am interested in how people see this....


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  • It doesn't seem to say anything new or revealing, but the footage looks good.
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  • HAL9000HAL9000 Frets: 3704
    merlin said:
    How "documentary" will it be? Will it mention this? I know we all try to ignore politics when it comes to Music....but can we?
    I'm really not meaning to troll here, but I am interested in how people see this....


    As much as I'm a bit of a fanboy, I feel that this particularly nasty episode is glossed over or ignored far too often. As far as I'm aware he has never apologised for his remarks (and has had ample opportunity). I guess the fact that over the years he has played with numerous black musicians means he must have apologised or, at least, explained himself to them. 
    It might look like I'm listening to you, but in my head I'm playing my guitar.
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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 5265
    surely this has been mis qouted? Shouldn't it read: Eric Clapton - Life in more than 12 Bars (but I can't remember them all)
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 1600
    "If you remember the sixties then you weren't there"
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  • RoxRox Frets: 2106
    What a liar.  He's been in more bars than that!
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2053
    HAL9000 said:
    merlin said:
    How "documentary" will it be? Will it mention this? I know we all try to ignore politics when it comes to Music....but can we?
    I'm really not meaning to troll here, but I am interested in how people see this....


    As much as I'm a bit of a fanboy, I feel that this particularly nasty episode is glossed over or ignored far too often. As far as I'm aware he has never apologised for his remarks (and has had ample opportunity). I guess the fact that over the years he has played with numerous black musicians means he must have apologised or, at least, explained himself to them. 
    Maybe, as they actually know the man, he doesn't need to. We all talk shit when in drugs or drink, does he have to explain himself to everyone for every mistake; he grew up in a very different world. It's not 'glossed over or ignored', there's always someone happy to bring it up. Can't we just let it go...
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  • It's not glossed over or ignored on here.....gets brought up in pretty much every Clapton discussion!
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  • It's not glossed over or ignored on here.....gets brought up in pretty much every Clapton discussion!
    It's fairly shocking if it's new to you but put in the context of his life and work and, to some extent, of the times when it was said, I'm happy to come to terms with it. Although certainly there are people who won't ever forgive him and that's fine too, I'm not saying the Nazis were okay because they got the trains running although I'm not sure a drug fueled outburst from 1976 is quite that. 


    I feel the warm, healing, liquid presence of God’s genuine cold-filtered grace. 
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  • aord43aord43 Frets: 282
    I wasn't aware of this controversy. The image posted is not a link (due to the known forum issue I guess) but judging by the summary on his Wikipedia page it doesn't seem completely resolved because of his later remarks.  Slightly uncomfortable given the respect I have for the guy musically.  Although even in the trailer for the OP movie, in the section about drink and drugs he said he "was full of hatred and anger".  I will content myself to say he was wrong and leave it at that for now.
    Meanwhile I will look up that film.
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  • JDEJDE Frets: 645
    Yeah. I tend to view it the way that I view the comments Elvis Costello made about James Brown and Ray Charles. If someone were to publish everything I have ever said while I was off my face, I'd be sued, jailed, lynched, shot and probably fired out of a cannon, directly at the sun. 
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 17754
    edited September 2017
    JDE said:
    Yeah. I tend to view it the way that I view the comments Elvis Costello made about James Brown and Ray Charles. If someone were to publish everything I have ever said while I was off my face, I'd be sued, jailed, lynched, shot and probably fired out of a cannon, directly at the sun. 
    Just looked up the Elvis Costello story - I wasn't aware of it previously.

    I entirely agree with you - there are many things I've said when drunk that I regret. Happily as a complete non-entity they never get quoted back at me in media or on-line. In my experience few people have lead entirely blameless lives....
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  • JDEJDE Frets: 645
    Yeah. The sad thing is, that having every aspect of your life recorded for future scrutiny will never truly reflect an individuals capacity for change. I'm not the same bloke I was two years ago, let alone when I was in my early 20's! 

    Fwiw, and I'm obviously not condoning anything, but EC has been pretty open about his drink/drugs history, how much of a bastard he was to Pattie Boyd, the death of his kid and a whole load of other shit, which takes a fair bit of self-awareness to do. I think he has genuinely changed and probably looks back to those comments and just thinks "what the fuck was I saying?" Keith Richards has said some bizarre things in the past, and a lot regarding race, and he's just loveable old Keef? 
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2204
    JDE said:
    Yeah. The sad thing is, that having every aspect of your life recorded for future scrutiny will never truly reflect an individuals capacity for change. I'm not the same bloke I was two years ago, let alone when I was in my early 20's! 

    Fwiw, and I'm obviously not condoning anything, but EC has been pretty open about his drink/drugs history, how much of a bastard he was to Pattie Boyd, the death of his kid and a whole load of other shit, which takes a fair bit of self-awareness to do. I think he has genuinely changed and probably looks back to those comments and just thinks "what the fuck was I saying?" Keith Richards has said some bizarre things in the past, and a lot regarding race, and he's just loveable old Keef? 
    EC has made it a lifechallenge to found and fund a drug rehabilitation centre in Antigua, I dare say a large element of the patients are not white middle class. His deeds certainly speak far louder than some peoples words. Trying to rubbish him for a drunken outburst is dubious at best.


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  • ESBlonde said:
    JDE said:
    Yeah. The sad thing is, that having every aspect of your life recorded for future scrutiny will never truly reflect an individuals capacity for change. I'm not the same bloke I was two years ago, let alone when I was in my early 20's! 

    Fwiw, and I'm obviously not condoning anything, but EC has been pretty open about his drink/drugs history, how much of a bastard he was to Pattie Boyd, the death of his kid and a whole load of other shit, which takes a fair bit of self-awareness to do. I think he has genuinely changed and probably looks back to those comments and just thinks "what the fuck was I saying?" Keith Richards has said some bizarre things in the past, and a lot regarding race, and he's just loveable old Keef? 
    EC has made it a lifechallenge to found and fund a drug rehabilitation centre in Antigua, I dare say a large element of the patients are not white middle class. His deeds certainly speak far louder than some peoples words. Trying to rubbish him for a drunken outburst is dubious at best.


    I think this sub-thread is unfortunate.  But the very fact it gets raised here - amongst guitar players - is proof it will never go away.  I wondered once why EC has never been made a Sir.  But a quick search on the internet for the full transcript of what he is alleged to have said in 1976 probably answers the question.

    EC is a great man.  He has put his hands up to so much.  And does so much for so many.

    1976 is 41 years ago.  I believe he was quite a different chap back then.  And no doubt very influenced by those around him.  And their thoughts and beliefs.  Life can be difficult for a young man with money, talent and many hangers on.

    I believe he did his best.

    I believe he still does.

    His best gets better every year.  What else can one aspire to in life.

    Forgiveness.

    "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." Mahatma Gandhi
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  • On a personal note, regarding the OP's actual topic, I am very excited about this film.  I dearly hope it makes its way over to the UK soon. My fingers are crossed. x
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  • JDEJDE Frets: 645
    Showtime are screening it in the US in 2018 apparently. As it's actually a British-funded production, we may even see it over here first. 
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  • His LA show is on Facebook live later today, for those who are interested. 
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  • VoxmanVoxman Frets: 1946
    edited September 2017
    Love Eric, great player, and seems like a good man...would love to meet him. Nearly did once (he was client of Ernst and Young and I was pension specialist there) but he couldnt make it and his rep came to meeting instead. 
    I started out with nothing..... but I've still got most of it left (Seasick Steve)
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2053
    ESBlonde said:

    EC has made it a life challenge to found and fund a drug rehabilitation centre in Antigua, I dare say a large element of the patients are not white middle class. His deeds certainly speak far louder than some peoples words. Trying to rubbish him for a drunken outburst is dubious at best.

    Clapton founded Crossroads after seeing the huge problem Antigua has with crack. He has a house on the island I believe. The facility is for respite and cure of local Antiguans but is largely funded by (usually) wealthy addicts from US and Europe. The facilities and location are fantastic, I was a patient there for a while until I absconded; seemed I had further to fall.

    A old colleague of mine filmed a documentary of the train tour when Clapton was deep in drink. Stigwood organised the train apparently so that he would have less easy access to alcohol. I'm wondering if footage from Rex's movie will feature in the new film, I hope so, he's an excellent documentary maker.
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  • hootsmonhootsmon Frets: 7924
    Wots Eric's best album for guitar playin'...other than the Beano stuff?
    tae be or not tae be
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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 5427
    edited September 2017
    hootsmon said:
    Wots Eric's best album for guitar playin'...other than the Beano stuff?
    Derek and the Dominoes Live

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-At-Fillmore-Derek-Dominos/dp/B000001E3V

    The Live in the 70s boxset has some great stuff on it as well. 
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