C18Q1 swampy strat... FINISHED with pics.

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  • rexterrexter Frets: 89
    Love it. Especially that neck! 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    Thanks all... as good as it plays I’ve hit a slight problem... the neck pocket is about 1.5mm too shallow, coupled with the jumbo frets on the neck means that the neck is sitting just that little bit too high... the bridge saddles are maxed out...

    its in with Charlie chandler have a few mm shaved off the pocket just to sort the geometry out...

    this is is the second body I have had from this particular company that has had a wrong neck pocket, the first one was too deep and the pocket needed shimming!... and they CNC the bodies apparently!.... 
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  • SargeSarge Frets: 1516
    Gorgeous! well done sir!

    I have a guitarbuild strat body with a pocket slightly too highh imI terrified of mucking it up, it plays beautifully but like yours the saddles are maxed out so there's no room for adjuadjust. 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    Sarge said:
    Gorgeous! well done sir!

    I have a guitarbuild strat body with a pocket slightly too highh imI terrified of mucking it up, it plays beautifully but like yours the saddles are maxed out so there's no room for adjuadjust. 
    You have two choices... shave the heel of the neck or route out the pocket.

    can I ask, did you buy direct from them or get one from their eBay shop?
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  • SargeSarge Frets: 1516
    poopot said:
    Sarge said:
    Gorgeous! well done sir!

    I have a guitarbuild strat body with a pocket slightly too highh imI terrified of mucking it up, it plays beautifully but like yours the saddles are maxed out so there's no room for adjuadjust. 
    You have two choices... shave the heel of the neck or route out the pocket.

    can I ask, did you buy direct from them or get one from their eBay shop?

    It was from Booboo Guitars, a one piece ash body with a tiny router mark in the spring cavity ;) 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    Problem solved... the neck pocket was actually slightly shallower than spec, .644in as opposed to .677in (62 strat). However the heel on the neck (and I did ask for chunky) measured at 1.042in.

    The thickness of the heel, jumbo frets and the slightly shallower neck pocket meant the bridge saddles were maxed out and the action was way too low.

    the situation was sorted by milling .050in from the heel of the neck... 

    http://a67.tinypic.com/w47sj.jpg

    Guitar is back together and all is right with the world... it’s off being plek’d at the moment... really can’t wait to get it back!...
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  • SargeSarge Frets: 1516
    Excellent, glad you sorted it out.
    You inspired me to get off the my arse and sort mine out, a s8mple shim at the neck end of the pocket dropped the saddles by half, also sort3d out my mistake on the 5way wiring. Happy daus. 
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  • Jez6345789Jez6345789 Frets: 816
    very nice looking Strat great build thread and the ageing is tasteful.
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  • FlametopFlametop Frets: 34
    That is a very nice looking  guitar!
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  • rsvmarkrsvmark Frets: 486
    @poopot So I have a couple of questions. Apologies for the apparently dum ass nature of these questions. It's a bit embarrassing as i feel I should know the answers to these questions but I don't.

    Q1. Scale length. So I get the fact that different guitars have different scale lengths. If you plan to do a strat, do you need to specify things like the exact position of the holes for the bridge plate (I would guess they are so generic, any variation is taken out with the longitudinal adjustment in the bridge saddle) and the neck pocket or is the strat body so generic they all just 'work'

    Q2. You show you are having to have the neck shaved so it sits lower in the pocket. was this down to the body manufacturer supplying something out of tolerance or is it a case that one of the inherent jobs in assembly is to either shim or shave the neck to get the correct fit?

    thanks  in advance for indulging me but the end result looks so good I might have a go.... And that's scary!
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    edited February 3
    rsvmark said:
    @poopot So I have a couple of questions. Apologies for the apparently dum ass nature of these questions. It's a bit embarrassing as i feel I should know the answers to these questions but I don't.

    Q1. Scale length. So I get the fact that different guitars have different scale lengths. If you plan to do a strat, do you need to specify things like the exact position of the holes for the bridge plate (I would guess they are so generic, any variation is taken out with the longitudinal adjustment in the bridge saddle) and the neck pocket or is the strat body so generic they all just 'work'

    Q2. You show you are having to have the neck shaved so it sits lower in the pocket. was this down to the body manufacturer supplying something out of tolerance or is it a case that one of the inherent jobs in assembly is to either shim or shave the neck to get the correct fit?

    thanks  in advance for indulging me but the end result looks so good I might have a go.... And that's scary!
    1) if the body is made to strat specs and the neck is made to strat specs the scale length will be as it should be. I guess if you are having a neck or body custom made you can spec whatever scale length you want.

    2) after taking the neck off and taking a few measurements it transpired that the neck pocket was slightly shallow compared to ‘62 strat specs and the neck heel was slightly thicker. (I did ask for a chunky neck)

    If you read back to the start of the thread I had painted the guitar once and then had to strip it, I didn’t strip the paint from the neck pocket and painted it again... it had double the amount of paint in it!... stripping the paint from the neck pocket yesterday gained me an extra 0.5mm of depth... shaving the heel got me another 1.2mm. So now the geometry is pretty much on ‘62 specs (although they did vary quite a lot)


    Below is a chart with measurements “borrowed” from fenders spec book along with my body and neck.

    http://a63.tinypic.com/21cy2rm.jpg

    Add into the mix that I had jumbo frets put on the neck it made the saddle height even higher!...

    the guitar as it was played beautifully, but because of the height issue every thing was maxed out.

    its back together now and everything sits together perfectly, it’s away being plekd to add the icing on what is a lovely rosewood and swamp ash cake!...


    as for having a go! Do it!... just make sure you get a decent body and a decent neck... all the rest is just bolt on stuff really...
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    @rsvmark
    just to add, I think as long as you buy a body and neck from the same place you will be off to a good start. Doesn’t mean you won’t have to do some fiddling but you would expect that any work needed should be minimal.

    its all to easy to grab a “bargain” body or neck from somewhere and then wonder why nothing fits together!...
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    Swampy is back from the plek machine!....

    what a difference that makes!... absolutely perfect fret dress all over the neck... no choking anywhere... no fret buzz... low action...

    well happy, totally recommend you all go out and get your guitar plek’d!...
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  • poopot said:

    well happy, totally recommend you all go out and get your guitar plek’d!...
    How much does pleking cost?

    PS very cool guitar!
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    poopot said:

    well happy, totally recommend you all go out and get your guitar plek’d!...
    How much does pleking cost?

    PS very cool guitar!
    The cost is £135 for the plek... Mine cost a little more as I had a few loose frets but it wasn't a fortune more.

    Theres a vid here on the process (didn't get the refret done - Just the plek set up)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBNAtOxgHlg

    Very accurate and very good finish... 
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  • That guitar is beautiful! Stunning job!
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 500
    That guitar is beautiful! Stunning job!
    Cheers... really happy with the outcome... pups have since been changed to a set of voodoo’s by pribora... 
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