I Need something that Fuzzes, but Isn't a Regular Fuzz Circuit?

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BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
I use my Rufus Fuzz for a few songs at Gigs, but have had to sacrifice using my Wireless (Smooth Hound) because the wireless doesn't like the Fuzz Circuit, so probably won't like any regular Fuzz Circuit.

There's nowt wrong with the Wireless, it's just the way it is. I've been over it on here dozens of times, so let's stick to the title subject.

So, the only other option is to ditch the Rufus for Live shows and get some creatively engineered Fuzziness with a Wireless loving Circuit.

I had a quick neb and discovered this rather tasty piece of trickery.

The Catalinbread Katzenkonig
 




Sounds awesome, but does it have a Fuzz Circuit or just a normal Distortion Circuit?

Any more Fuzzy Non-Fuzz pedals you know of and can recommend?

Thanks.
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  • TTBZTTBZ Frets: 572
    edited January 8
    I've been interested in that one for a while too! I believe it's a tonebender circuit into a rat circuit. So it should sound awesome. It does seem to sound like a Rat in the clips, but fuzzier thanks to the input gain control. Could be just what you're after if you're like me and wish the Rat had a bit more of a fuzz quality at lower distortion settings. 

    Fuzz dogs does a clone kit for about £50 with enclosure if you fancy a DIY - I'm tempted!
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    TTBZ said:
    I've been interested in that one for a while too! I believe it's a tonebender circuit into a rat circuit. So it should sound awesome. It does seem to sound like a Rat in the clips, but fuzzier thanks to the input gain control. Could be just what you're after if you're like me and wish the Rat had a bit more of a fuzz quality at lower distortion settings. 

    Fuzz dogs does a clone kit for about £50 with enclosure if you fancy a DIY - I'm tempted!

    It'd be ideal to try out in the shop with my wireless, but no one local stocks this pedal. I'm not much of a DIY'er though re the Fuzz dogs, but thanks for the heads up @TTBZ ;
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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 4152
    Have you tried playing with the cable tone setting on the wireless? Doing so might help it overcome its issue with your fuzz.....
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7096
    I’ve got an EWS Little Fuzzy Drive, I’m not aware of it having any problems (?) with my Smooth Hound - although I rarely use it TBH. Not a vintage style overdrive, as the name suggests more an overdrive that gets a bit fuzzy. The fat switch ( not on the original full size version) is great for working with different amps. 

    https://youtu.be/FzTVvaO8WBw
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 830
    I've got an EWS Little Fuzzy Drive going spare if anyone wants it...
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  • Matt_McGMatt_McG Frets: 79
    Another Fuzzdog option might be the clone of the Skreddy Lunar Module, or a genuine one if you can find one locally.

    It can do fairly smooth overdrive-ish sounds, and raucous fuzz, all depending on where you set the knobs.
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  • Matt_McGMatt_McG Frets: 79
    Or Wampler Velvet Fuzz.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32140
    edited January 9
    Get a Boss FZ-2. It’s a proper fuzz but done properly . Fully buffered and immune from source and load impedance issues.

    Or an FZ-3 if you want a more traditional fuzz sound.

    I tried the FZ-5 but didn't like it, it didn't sound quite 'right' somehow. (Yes, I know it's digital.)
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  • Red Llama, or one of the many clones.
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  • Magnetic_EffectsMagnetic_Effects Frets: 88
    edited January 9
    All the fuzz pedals in my range work fine with wireless and buffers. Designed that way for exactly this kind of situation. 
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 9348
    Red Llama, or one of the many clones.
    Good shout. Lovely thick raspy-but-not-trebly type thing
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  • Chris_JChris_J Frets: 72
    Hudson Broadcast?

    Been loving mine since I got it 
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    ThorpyFX said:
    Have you tried playing with the cable tone setting on the wireless? Doing so might help it overcome its issue with your fuzz.....
    Thanks @ThorpyFX ;

    I can't recall if I've messed around with that, I'd deffo forgotten that it had the function. I'll have a play.although I expect if I have to increase the "cable length" to 30 ft, it may have a knock on effect to the other pedals, but we'll see.
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    That EWS sounds good @EricTheWeary ;

    If you get a chance at some point, can you give it a quick try with your smooth hound on the "cable tone off" setting. Ta Muchly!
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7096
    That EWS sounds good @EricTheWeary ;

    If you get a chance at some point, can you give it a quick try with your smooth hound on the "cable tone off" setting. Ta Muchly!
    I’ll have to dig out the Smooth Hound instruction manual - I have no idea wether I have that on or off! 
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    Thanks for the recommendations, chaps. Have you tried these suggestions with Wireless, not being funny, just wondered if I was just getting Fuzz recommendations, rather than Fuzz Type pedals with Non standard Fuzz circuits.

    @ICBM Those Boss ones are pure Fuzz filth, in a good way if it's that filthy Fuzz tone one is after ;) A bit too much for me though.


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  • What exactly is the problem with the wireless and the fuzz? 

    The only reason I would expect to have an issue with wireless and fuzz is because some old school fuzz pedals don't like buffers. Beyond that I wouldn't expect any problems. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32140

    @ICBM Those Boss ones are pure Fuzz filth, in a good way if it's that filthy Fuzz tone one is after ;) A bit too much for me though.
    The FZ-3 can do more traditional low-gain fuzz, although I do admit the FZ-2 is pretty much an all-out mayhem box :) - although oddly, it also has a clean boost mode...

    What exactly is the problem with the wireless and the fuzz? 

    The only reason I would expect to have an issue with wireless and fuzz is because some old school fuzz pedals don't like buffers. Beyond that I wouldn't expect any problems. 
    Pretty much that.

    Why people still tolerate fuzz pedals that don’t work with buffers, wirelesses, other pedals or normal power supplies, when there are lots of good modern fuzzes which don’t have a problem with them (not just Boss ones ;) ), I really don’t know.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 4152
    ICBM said:

    @ICBM Those Boss ones are pure Fuzz filth, in a good way if it's that filthy Fuzz tone one is after ;) A bit too much for me though.
    The FZ-3 can do more traditional low-gain fuzz, although I do admit the FZ-2 is pretty much an all-out mayhem box :) - although oddly, it also has a clean boost mode...

    What exactly is the problem with the wireless and the fuzz? 

    The only reason I would expect to have an issue with wireless and fuzz is because some old school fuzz pedals don't like buffers. Beyond that I wouldn't expect any problems. 
    Pretty much that.

    Why people still tolerate fuzz pedals that don’t work with buffers, wirelesses, other pedals or normal power supplies, when there are lots of good modern fuzzes which don’t have a problem with them (not just Boss ones ;) ), I really don’t know.
    Because there is nothing like the interaction you get with a fuzzface or a tonebender, some people have become tonebender aficionados. Like a fine wine, a good tonebender or fuzzface is a  thing to behold, and in many ways, you need them to truly nail classic sixties music. 
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  • CarewCarew Frets: 8
    edited January 10
    1. There's no such thing as a "regular fuzz circuit"

    2.  Not all fuzz pedals are built equally when it comes to impedence issues (such as caused by a buffer or a wireless box).

    The Suhr Refus you have is designed to play well with buffers etc, so I don't know why you are having  problem.

    The Katzenonig is a Tonebender/Rat hybrid circuit.   It has a pre gain control which may help it play better with impedence issues.

    +1 on Magnetic Effects' fuzz pedals.  That are designed to play well with anything.   Check out the White Atom.



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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    It was a case of not having heard of the problem until it happened @ICBM ;
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32140
    ThorpyFX said:

    Because there is nothing like the interaction you get with a fuzzface or a tonebender, some people have become tonebender aficionados. Like a fine wine, a good tonebender or fuzzface is a  thing to behold, and in many ways, you need them to truly nail classic sixties music. 
    I must admit I’ve always found them too limited - only one usable setting (both knobs up full), not enough volume for a live mix (guitar disappears when you turn it on), backing off the guitar stops the fuzz almost immediately, they have problems with a wah in front... they do sound great if you want that exact sound, but the issues outweigh that for me.

    A friend of mine had an original Mk 1.5 Tonebender, which did sound really great - slightly fatter and rounder than a clone kit I built for him, with the volume drop fixed - but in the end it was worth so much relative to its usefulness that he sold it and bought a Soldano SLO with the money!
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • hotpickupshotpickups Frets: 934
    I certainly don't have a problem with being heard in the mix with my fuzz. In fact I get complaints that I can be heard too much lol
    Link to my trading feedback:  http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/59452/
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  • What about the Caroline Shigeharu Fuzz. Got one of these being delivered tomorrow hopefully.


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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 4152
    ICBM said:
    ThorpyFX said:

    Because there is nothing like the interaction you get with a fuzzface or a tonebender, some people have become tonebender aficionados. Like a fine wine, a good tonebender or fuzzface is a  thing to behold, and in many ways, you need them to truly nail classic sixties music. 
    I must admit I’ve always found them too limited - only one usable setting (both knobs up full), not enough volume for a live mix (guitar disappears when you turn it on), backing off the guitar stops the fuzz almost immediately, they have problems with a wah in front... they do sound great if you want that exact sound, but the issues outweigh that for me.

    A friend of mine had an original Mk 1.5 Tonebender, which did sound really great - slightly fatter and rounder than a clone kit I built for him, with the volume drop fixed - but in the end it was worth so much relative to its usefulness that he sold it and bought a Soldano SLO with the money!
    Yeah, I would have done that too. Love the SLO sound! 
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    Thanks for the additional information everyone.

    @ThorpyFX I tried the Cable Tone settings on the Smooth Hound and it's made no difference. Such a shame as I like the pedal, but it'll have to go as I'll never use it once it's off the board. I will have to take my wireless to a store and try out some more pedals. Shame my local store is Richtone as they don't get as many brands as Andertons or G.G etc.

    @Carew I don't know what the issue is, the pedal is fine and the Wireless is fine. I've had lots of comms at different times over the last 2 years with people on here and with Chris who makes the wireless units and it is just an incompatibility, been over it to death and it's exhausted me.
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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 4152
    Thanks for the additional information everyone.

    @ThorpyFX I tried the Cable Tone settings on the Smooth Hound and it's made no difference. Such a shame as I like the pedal, but it'll have to go as I'll never use it once it's off the board. I will have to take my wireless to a store and try out some more pedals. Shame my local store is Richtone as they don't get as many brands as Andertons or G.G etc.

    @Carew I don't know what the issue is, the pedal is fine and the Wireless is fine. I've had lots of comms at different times over the last 2 years with people on here and with Chris who makes the wireless units and it is just an incompatibility, been over it to death and it's exhausted me.
    Right I’m sorry that didn’t work, I’m going to do the salesman thing now (please forgive me) the fallout cloud will work with this wireless this would be my top recommendation. Also the warthog set at extreme calibre and gain, gives a great fuzztone and will work with the wireless. 
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2466
    Dayum you @ThorpyFX ;

    :)

    No need to apologise though. That Fallout Cloud is utter heaven for what I want that sort of sound to work for. If that is guaranteed to work with the wireless, I'm all over it. I'd have to flog the Rufus though as funds are limited at the moment.

    Lovely sounding pedal, all the more agonising as Mike Hermans was doing the demo and that sod can make a Biscuit Tin with a Rubber Band wrapped around sound amazing ;)
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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 4152
    Dayum you @ThorpyFX ;

    :)

    No need to apologise though. That Fallout Cloud is utter heaven for what I want that sort of sound to work for. If that is guaranteed to work with the wireless, I'm all over it. I'd have to flog the Rufus though as funds are limited at the moment.

    Lovely sounding pedal, all the more agonising as Mike Hermans was doing the demo and that sod can make a Biscuit Tin with a Rubber Band wrapped around sound amazing ;)
    Yeah he’s a great talent, and a fantastic demo guy too. I’ll pass on your compliments to him!! 
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