Should there be revisions to Fretboard members entitlement to sell guitars, amps, pedals etc ?

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TelejesterTelejester Frets: 571
edited January 11 in Guitar
I would like members to post their thoughts so as site Admin can use this thread as member feedback.

Am I being unfair in saying I think the entitlement to sell or trade on Fretboard should only be offerred to members with a minimum post count and minimum time being a contributing member ?

Are there members here, like me, who have seen item(s) for sale or trade and the product is right , as are the price or trade terms , but then you see a very low post count and alarm bells start ringing, are you prepared to spend your money or go through with a trade ?

Joe Soap with a post count of 0 and selling a Fender Super Reverb at a great price  could be a gem amongst gems and as honest as the day is long, on the other hand he could be a total con artist. The feedback section is a good idea, if im selling or buying I use it extensively so as I can get an idea about who im going to do business with. With a very low or 0 post holder who suddenly appears selling great gear at competive prices, the feedback thread is a non starter and there may be potential pitfalls.

Lets talk about this, what do you lot think ?
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 5027
    This has been discussed so many times before.
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  • TelejesterTelejester Frets: 571
    edited January 11
    This has been discussed so many times before.
    Ive never seen it, but I do think it is a valid discussion. I have had great trading relationships here at fb and this thread is purely about watching our backs.
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  • Shark_EyesShark_Eyes Frets: 298
    I've never liked that on forums and find that it often leads to people artificially inflating their post count through lackluster commenting.

    It's also something that makes a forum seem insular and self serving rather than open and welcoming.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 12582
    This has been discussed so many times before.
    Agreed.

    I think it's a way of attracting new members and as with anything that involves buying and selling - caveat emptor. Often these people are known by other members who can vouch for them.

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  • markblackmarkblack Frets: 475
    edited January 11
    I'm a member of a watch forum that makes you have 50 posts to view the sales corner - and 200 (I think) to sell on it. Works well, you can't just spam 50 posts in one go either. It also makes people get involved. I know some people don't like to post on forums as they fear a LOL... of some smart arse says 'have you tried google'... forces you to get over it.

    The other thing it seems to do is keep watches on the forum within the forum - so you can try stuff for a good price - it's not the done thing to try and make money on items. Yes you could say it's a bit of a 'club' but in a way that's what forums are about? Doesn't have to be an exclusive one. But you do need to put something in, to get something back? Even if in my case it's stupid questions about guitars that yes, I could Google.

    That said I do find here very good having bought and sold a few things. People are very helpful and the prices are fair.

    The key is the number of post and how long you need to wait - that keeps the scammers away as it's too much hassle.
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  • I’m 100% against minimum post counts.

    If they’re employed then the following negatives are likely

    - Not join, this making the market smaller and reducing new members (I, and I’m sure many others first found the community via the classifieds)

    - Post poor quality content in order to meet the post count requirement faster. +1, I agree, I like Telecasters... unecessary fluff that dilutes the discussion.

    - Cause an admin headache if we decide that the posts need to be a higher quality than basic replies


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  • Should there be revisions to Fretboard members entitlement to sell guitars, amps, pedals etc ?


    No

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  • RaymondLinRaymondLin Frets: 3344
    This is enforced in many other forums, I have no objection to this.

    It stops most traders and scammers. 
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 8893
    I don't have a problem with new sellers. One should always pay attention to standard checks when buying regardless of who is selling. 
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1153
    Fretwired said:
    This has been discussed so many times before.

     Often these people are known by other members who can vouch for them.

    I've done this for people I know but I have encouraged them to be part of the community and join in rather than just come on for one sale or to buy and sell.
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  • - Post poor quality content in order to meet the post count requirement faster. +1, I agree, I like Telecasters... unecessary fluff that dilutes the discussion.

    - Cause an admin headache if we decide that the posts need to be a higher quality than basic replies


    This happens at the moment.
    Just read the bitsa thread to see the same answer reworded over 100 posts

    And all the needs a bigsby posts etc
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1456

    - Post poor quality content in order to meet the post count requirement faster. +1, I agree, I like Telecasters... unecessary fluff that dilutes the discussion.

    - Cause an admin headache if we decide that the posts need to be a higher quality than basic replies


    This happens at the moment.
    Just read the bitsa thread to see the same answer reworded over 100 posts

    And all the needs a bigsby posts etc

    Everything needs a bigsby.
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  • This is enforced in many other forums, I have no objection to this.

    It stops most traders and scammers. 
    But playing devils advocat most traders are not scammers.

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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1456
    Ah crap, I'm now going to get spammed with gazillions of post notifications because it's not possible to unsubscribe from individual threads.

    That'll teach me to be a smart arse.

    <sigh>

    R.
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  • I've never liked that on forums and find that it often leads to people artificially inflating their post count through lackluster commenting.

    It's also something that makes a forum seem insular and self serving rather than open and welcoming.
    Yep.
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1456
    In answer to the original question: No.

    Is there are problem you are seeking to address, @Telejester?

    R.
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  • TelejesterTelejester Frets: 571
    This is enforced in many other forums, I have no objection to this.

    It stops most traders and scammers. 
    But playing devils advocat most traders are not scammers.

    Its the few chancers that ruin it for everybody. Ive seen items for sale as far away as eastern europe from a 0 feedback and 0 post count seller who is just likely  to be as honest as the day is long , but im not prepared to rely on blind faith. Im not convinced that post quality would hit the deck with garbage posts just trying to inflate a post count, a 0 post holder would have to be a very sad individual to go down that road.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 1733
    The bottom line is always Caveat Emptor. The best defence is to view the goods before handing over money. If you can not or will not find the time to do this, you only have yourself to blame if you should victim to sharp practice. 


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  • TelejesterTelejester Frets: 571
    In answer to the original question: No.

    Is there are problem you are seeking to address, @Telejester?

    R.
    Hi Robin, no problem at my end, just discussing proactive  rather than reactive ways to ensure that FB is a safe trading place for all. 



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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1436
    The only time I’ve been scammed when buying online on forums or Facebook was by a regular member so I don’t see how it would help.     If you buy online you take a chance and learn to use sensible precautions.  
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 6148
    I do get the point. I’ve sold a couple of things on here for charidee and asked the buyer to pay into Just Giving (I think that’s what it’s called) and asked for people with a reasonable post count only because I feel that’s a reasonable indicator of reliability ( as I wouldn’t actually see the money myself). Although these weren’t high cost items so probably a bit daft in some ways.

    On the other hand the classifieds are very important in attracting new members and without new members this place would eventually die ( or at least become very, very poorly). If they want to they can reference other members, eBay feedback, do local cash deals or whatever. Unless it can be set up as an automated system it would also be a complete PIA to police. Speaking of which something like a minimum post count might give the impression that TheFB takes some responsibility for transactions which it simply doesn’t. 

    Anyway, as has been said it’s been raised a good few times before and never implemented so  the OP is probably on a hiding to nothing. 
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  • TelejesterTelejester Frets: 571
    EricTheWeary said: lo
    I do get the point. I’ve sold a couple of things on here for charidee and asked the buyer to pay into Just Giving (I think that’s what it’s called) and asked for people with a reasonable post count only because I feel that’s a reasonable indicator of reliability ( as I wouldn’t actually see the money myself). Although these weren’t high cost items so probably a bit daft in some ways.

    On the other hand the classifieds are very important in attracting new members and without new members this place would eventually die ( or at least become very, very poorly). If they want to they can reference other members, eBay feedback, do local cash deals or whatever. Unless it can be set up as an automated system it would also be a complete PIA to police. Speaking of which something like a minimum post count might give the impression that TheFB takes some responsibility for transactions which it simply doesn’t. 

    Anyway, as has been said it’s been raised a good few times before and never implemented so  the OP is probably on a hiding to nothing. 
    No probs Eric, I just thought it was worth an airing of thoughts and views amongst us.
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  • Jack_Jack_ Frets: 2300
    It shouldn't be the job of the admin/the forum to regulate buying and selling. It all comes down to you, the buyer. If you don't feel suitably safe, then don't go through with the deal. Some people won't buy from Joe Soap with 0 frets, and that's their choice, but why limit people with few posts from selling, when you can make the deal much safer through means such as meeting the person to complete the deal, or taking full contact and location details with proof etc.

    I'm sure I've bought a few things via here from people with low post counts, no problems yet, but then on the whole 99% of people out there (or on here for sure) aren't out to scam you.
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  • carloscarlos Frets: 891
    My first posts were all trying to shift gear back in 2013. Then I stuck around...
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 6052
    Anyone can decide for themselves if they only want to deal with a seller with a certain number of posts, they don't need the the forum to regulate that for them.

    A healthy classified section needs to be as open to the general public as possible, if it's just a bunch of mates playing pass the parcel the prices plummet and it dies. 
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 8003
    p90fool said:
    Anyone can decide for themselves if they only want to deal with a seller with a certain number of posts, they don't need the the forum to regulate that for them.

    A healthy classified section needs to be as open to the general public as possible, if it's just a bunch of mates playing pass the parcel the prices plummet and it dies. 
    All of this. 

    If in doubt about a noob you can always pay through a regular PayPal payment (covering the fees yourself, obviously) and get the protection that comes with it.
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  • paulnb57paulnb57 Frets: 840
    Post count is a waste of time, all that happens is, the new poster works his or her way through several posts, making enough comments to get the post count up....
    You don't have to buy something from someone with a low post count...

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  • Wait what.   There's a "watch" forum?  What do people talk about? How close to 10.45 it REALLY is, someone has a watch that goes all the way up to 13, the watch people sold but now they regret it as no other watch tells the time like that one did.

    I digress.

    I wouldn't be against having a minimum post level or minimum kudos level  eg 10 post min and min 5 kudo points to avoid spammers.
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  • Jez6345789Jez6345789 Frets: 755
    It would not worry me as post enough but as has been said these things even if you put them in place, they get scammed pretty quickly and if all that is stopping you is say 50/100 posts you can clock that up pretty quick and sell your stuff. 

    Plus I think in other forums this quickly ends up with threads with a lot of "tagging along" or "totally agree" posts to start making up post counts. 

    I don't think there is any other way really than the old expression buyer beware. 

    In any classified transaction in any forum, there are no guarantees a scammer will always be a scammer. 
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 10665

    Are there members here, like me, who have seen item(s) for sale or trade and the product is right , as are the price or trade terms , but then you see a very low post count and alarm bells start ringing, are you prepared to spend your money or go through with a trade ?
    DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion, which may be different to The Admin Opinion...

    Anyway, right now all members have the choice as to whether to trust a seller (or a buyer) or not. Imposing a minimum fret or post count removes that choice; I'm not in favour of that, because I'm a big proponent of personal responsibility...also, we don't guarantee sales in any way.

    If we were to impose such a limit, it would have two effects:

    1 - The limit would be, to all intents and purposes, arbitrarily-chosen - consider the problem of deciding how many posts or frets indicates that a person is trustworthy; they're completely unrelated measures. It's akin to deciding how good somebody is at playing guitar based on how fast they can run. There would then be folk who'd attempt to argue with us at great length about that limit.

    2 - There would be some around who, upon having a bad trade, would blame us - we've put measures in place to say that somebody is trustworthy, and therefore if that fails they can hold us responsible. That ain't never gonna happen...we're not eBay.

    So...nope.
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