Line 6 Helix HX effects unit leaked....

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  • guitargeek62guitargeek62 Frets: 1626
    Thanks @Kebabkid, that's a useful find!

    I'm still debating whether to punt for one of these, or keep things simple and grab a used LT. The latter seems more sensible, yet I know I'll end up wanting to pair it up with pedals again in future anyway! The price is the decider here - the HX Fx needs to further from the used LT price to warrant the functional differences.
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1410
    No worries @guitargeek62 and I was a tad disappointed about the power supply but it's not a deal-breaker but the price is. As we've seen with the bigger units, it's early days now but this will come down in price.
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  • I'm also on the fence with this, looks ideal for me, can use it with amps and Kemper. Just wish it was cheaper, could buy a used Lt for the same price. 

    If it was £450 I'd buy it today.
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 477
    Same. £450 and I’d be ordering now. £540+ is almost LT price territory. 
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 39
    Agree about the price but the FX is ideal for me due to its size and the fact I simply would never use the amp modelling.
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  • gearaddictgearaddict Frets: 524
    I kind of need a new tuner, chorus and overdrive...so it kind of feels like a single unit that would cover all those bases would be a cool thing. But even at 450 quid, it is probably pricey for my needs. Still fancy one though. :)
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  • newi123newi123 Frets: 343
    I just ordered one. Interested to see how it sounds and works. 

    Even at £529 I don't think it's too much. After all, the dual drive and chorus pedals ive been toying with are £390 between them. So the hx will cost less than my modest number of pedals, and hopefully sound good enough and give greater flexability. Let's see........

    Personally I have no interest in the LT or full size helix. They do too much and they are simply too big and heavy. So I guess I'm the target market for the hx. Again, let's see.....
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1410
    edited March 2
    The list of effects is impressive and no doubt, as with the Helix, there will be updates and additions.

    I've found the manual online and searched through it to see what's available and quite a few from my board are included (Xotic EP, Fulltone OCD etc) but I've yet to hear a good demo of the drives.

     @rossyamaha - I have you spent any more time with it and if so, what are your thoughts? Is the power supply (separate) an issue if wanting to use it with your own one - I put up something a couple of posts back?
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 5514
    The new Andertons review video with Paul Hindmarsh doesn't really help sell the HX Effects, they keep fiddling and piddling about and don't really demo any sensible sounds with it. 

    https://youtu.be/6gbgUkQJCyg
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 2865
    The new Andertons review video with Paul Hindmarsh doesn't really help sell the HX Effects, they keep fiddling and piddling about and don't really demo any sensible sounds with it. 

    https://youtu.be/6gbgUkQJCyg
    So much fucking waffling. It's like they're trying to be a chat show about gear. 
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  • Struggled to find any playing in amongst that video.
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 39
    I kinda wish they'd started the video as a demo of running the unit as a few pedals into a clean amp and shown some of the sounds rather than the jibber jabber. They could've left the signal path, controller stuff till the end or done a seperqte video
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  • m1ck1970m1ck1970 Frets: 47
    Merchant city have them at £499 delivered
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1681
    Here's my take on the cost of HX vs LT. They are completely different units. HX exists purely for the people that don't want amp models as well as the size. If your mindset is that LT will be better value for money then spend a little extra and get that. If you're not going to use the amps/ cabs, get the HX, save a bit of cash and space on your board. Like everything, there are options for what you need. 

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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    Anyone using one yet? Few people having issues with noise/booting on the TGP mega-thread
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 39
    Got one. No noise. Updated fine. Full report to follow
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  • cbellangacbellanga Frets: 372
    Mine’s on its way back. Same screen error many people are mentioning around + very noisy.. 
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  • What sort of noise are we talking? Is it a ground loop in the 4cm?
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1410
    edited March 6
    This doesn't bode well:(
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 11759
    cbellanga said:
    Mine’s on its way back. Same screen error many people are mentioning around + very noisy.. 
    Not seen either of these issues mentioned - link? Not doubting you, I'd just like to know what's occurrin'...
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • Kebabkid said:
    This doesn' bode well:(
    I wouldn’t panic, you will find it’s either user error or down to a certain amps crappy FX loop
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 39
    Ok. I've had a couple of hours with it.
    I'm using it four cable method. I'm using a speaker load and then feeding an impulse response into a daw.

    I've used Helix native before and decided that I would only want to use my amp which is an Orange TH30. The LT or full blown helix are of no real interest but I can see why they would be to some given the current pricing.

    Functionality wise, the HX is switching channels on the amp and I'm using the spare fx loop within patches. Expression pedals all work. The build quality at least seems solid.

    My previous use of irs was with a digitech gsp1101 which I thought sounded ok. The HX blows it out of the water. I can't see me micing a cab again.

    I then tried it into a cab and can say the HX does not seem to colour the amps tone at all with the effects in bypass. I cannot detect any extra noise and everything seems to be working fine.

    With the unit plugged into USB, I did notice some background noise but I do not think this is the fault of the HX and may be my particular system as I have had it with other gear (zoom ms-50g). Unplug the USB and its is silent.

    The tones.

    Lots has been written about the quality of the effects of the helix. I can say with absolute certainty that I cannot tell the difference between the minotaur and a fredric zombie klone.
    I've previously had an ep booster and the kinky boost seems to work the same. The drives seem more authentic than previous digital ones.

    The delays and reverbs sound excellent and can be routed parallell as can anything else.

    I still have a m5 and an m9. The legacy effects here sound clearer. I don't think I'm imagining it.

    I intended to keep some pedals to run in the loop but I am seriously considering just using this HX effects. To improve on the delays reverbs and modulations, I can only really see Axe fx, or boss 500 series or strymon and that is a megabucks rabbit hole I don't want to go down.

    I've tried very hard to be objective about this, including concerns about the price.
    I can't see a downside other than having to use the line 6 power adapter (which is a weird shape).

    Oh and the tuner is absolutely fine  ;)



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  • simonksimonk Frets: 1133
    That’s a great initial review @mattismetal ;
    Nice one!
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1410
    Thanks mattismetal
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  • cbellangacbellanga Frets: 372
    cbellanga said:
    Mine’s on its way back. Same screen error many people are mentioning around + very noisy.. 
    Not seen either of these issues mentioned - link? Not doubting you, I'd just like to know what's occurrin'...
    Check TGP thread. I think mine’s was bogged. Fx are decent indeed. It would be a very portable solution so may try one again in a few months
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  • newi123newi123 Frets: 343
    Mine is being returned. Faulty I believe......

    When you touch a switch to edit the effect, sometimes it works, sometimes not. Sometimes opens edit to effect assigned to a different pedal.

    Came with software 2.4. Won't update to 2.5. Causes line 6 updater to crash and booting and holding right arrow as per line 6 instructions to go into update mode simply fails to start the unit.

    That's an hour and a half of my life I won't get back. 

    Though it sounded ok..........



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  • newi123newi123 Frets: 343
    And managed to update it. Crappy instructions........ 

    Says updater and driver must be installed to update. Didn't work. Need helix edit installed too, which also contains a driver apparently. Worked fine then.

    Does sound better with the updated firmware!
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  • gearaddictgearaddict Frets: 524
    Did that solve the other issues?
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  • newi123newi123 Frets: 343
    From a 10 min play after update seems to have.
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 39

    I've read up as much as I can on the noise problems some are reporting.

    I'm not suggesting there aren't any problematic units out there but a lot of the problems sound like ground loops.

    If you're using it straight into the amp with nothing else connected you shouldn't have any noise but you could still have a ground loop!

    Therefore in some cases it may not be a HX issue

    For example. My Orange amp produces no noise with the HX. My laney AOR squeals like a pig but the noise is a simple ground loop and level mismatch.

    the HX cannot 'send' an instrument level and 'receive' a line level on the same loop.

    Loads of equipment suffers from this. If you have a look on this forum alone you can see people selling Fractal AX8's with 'humbusting' cables.

    Google 4 cable method hum and there loads of users reporting the same

    It might have been helpful if Line 6 included ground lifts or isolated outs but I expect space became an issue.

    The noise problems will usually get worse with USB attached.

    Added to this, the HX outputs are unbalanced.

    Solution: transformer isolated outs and experimentation.

    On one of the episodes of that pedal show there is a discussion about effects loop where Dan explains why he prefers not to use loops as their behaviour is unpredictable.

    I suppose if you want to use 4 cable method youll need to budget in some isolators like these

    cheapo www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000KUD2G4

    expenso lehle.com/EN/Lehle-Dual-SGoS

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